Rebuilt engine it ran for about five minutes backfired and shut off

Tiny
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Rebuilt engine, recently, ran for about 5 minutes backfired quit running. Towed home checked electrical wires, battery wires tightened all that were loose. Started again ran about 5 minutes backfired again cut off again. Looks to be getting fuel pretty good, new radiator, water pump, thermostat, fuel line, distributor. Only thing not changed that I know of is fuel filter. Could it be vapor locking? Or what else?
Monday, August 19th, 2019 AT 2:02 PM

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Tiny
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Hello and thank you for using 2CarPros. Here is a link to troubleshoot this. Just follow it and we can narrow this down and got it fix for you.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-cranks-but-wont-start

If you have any questions or need help let me know.

Rich.
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Monday, August 19th, 2019 AT 9:08 PM
Tiny
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On a side note. Backfiring is caused from a lean fuel mixture. I am not sure which carburetor you have on that, I believe a Holley was stock on those, but a backfire will blow out the power valve in those which in turn causes a lean mixture. You can also check for a weak fuel pump (flow and or pressure) and a plugged fuel filter. Also confirm your timing is set right.

Let us know what you find out.

Thanks, Rich.
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Tuesday, August 20th, 2019 AT 6:39 PM
Tiny
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Turns over but doesn’t seem to be firing. Looks like a fuel spot under the fuel pump. To be honest, the mechanic that was to have rebuilt the engine called my car his project, smarted out at $3,600.00 and 3 weeks turned out to go to 9 weeks and $5,000.00 and he was adding things I didn’t want at this time. Wires loose, from battery on. Fitting on carburetor has no line going to it. Picked up car ran for 5-7 minutes backfired cut off. Had it towed home. Got it restarted 2 days later seemed good. Drove about 5 minutes backfired cut off has not restarted. Looks like fuel getting into carburetor. But like I said turning over but no firing. Distributor was loose turn by hand, tightened bolt. That was when it ran in garage. Was told by someone else that is suing him he has a thing of keeping cars doing what he wants to it run up bill until bill is more than car is worth. So this really does sound like a rat trap. Telling you this so you might have an idea of what we are facing. Carburetor is a hell if I know. He bought a new Chinese made one then charged for a rebuilt twice the amount he said he paid. He put an electric choke on it I didn’t want, put a fan on it, I did not want. When he clipped onto wire it cut through all but 2. It is a 1965 Ford Falcon station wagon, v8/289.
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Tuesday, August 20th, 2019 AT 8:59 PM
Tiny
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I am so sorry. Sadly people like that are everywhere. He has left you with quite a mess.

I am more than happy to walk you through this step by step. Is this something you can or want to tackle? The good news is due to the age of the vehicle everything will be fairly simple but there will be a good bit of testing and we have several issues it sounds like.

Also the open vacuum port you mentioned can cause the backfiring.

Rich.
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Tuesday, August 20th, 2019 AT 10:36 PM
Tiny
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I am willing to tackle it. Caution, I am blind in one eye decent vision in other eye. May have to wait for wife to get home to help look at things.
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Wednesday, August 21st, 2019 AT 7:57 AM
Tiny
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Did you get picture or video?
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Wednesday, August 21st, 2019 AT 8:03 AM
Tiny
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Manually pumped fuel into carburetor. Tried to start, turned, fired acted like it wanted to start backfired and quit. Wont fire now just turns, like no spark or fuel.
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Wednesday, August 21st, 2019 AT 8:23 AM
Tiny
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Starter solenoid is hot as heck from trying to start car.
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Wednesday, August 21st, 2019 AT 8:36 AM
Tiny
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Battery, 12.6 volts solenoid volts coil 6.5 volts. Turn key on electric choke sounds like it’s running constant.
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Wednesday, August 21st, 2019 AT 8:52 AM
Tiny
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Turning the distributor it’s sputtering like it wants to start. Not sure of dead center and cap?
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Wednesday, August 21st, 2019 AT 9:21 AM
Tiny
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Okay then lets get his thing running.

Lets make sure we have not only spark, but good spark. I need you to pull all the spark plugs. Keep them in order as you pull them so you know which one came from each cylinder. Once you have done that I need you to look at each of them and note what color the porcelain is on each plug. Take notes so you can tell me if they are all the same color, If some or even one is a different color take a close up picture of it and tell me which cylinder it came from. A normal plug should be tan to medium brown.

Once you have that done, plug one of the spark plugs into a plug wire and hold the threads on the plug to the engine block and crank it over with the key. (This will take 2 people) I suggest your wife hold the plug and you crank the motor because I need you to tell me if you have spark at the plug and what color the spark is. Is it blue, yellow, orange or white?

Also I would hold the spark plug with a pair of pliers that have a rubber handle in case your wires are leaking voltage and you wont get zapped using pliers to hold it.

Let me know what you find and we will move on. If you have any trouble let me know and we can straighten it out.

Rich.
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Wednesday, August 21st, 2019 AT 7:28 PM
Tiny
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Plugs are new. This is plug number one:
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Monday, September 2nd, 2019 AT 9:14 AM
Tiny
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2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.
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Monday, September 2nd, 2019 AT 9:32 AM
Tiny
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Spark appears to be white.
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Monday, September 2nd, 2019 AT 9:34 AM
Tiny
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Rod fell off of distributor fell into hole fell out of end but into correct hole.
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Monday, September 2nd, 2019 AT 9:50 AM
Tiny
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Got it.
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Monday, September 2nd, 2019 AT 9:56 AM
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Good work. Can you please shoot a quick video with your phone of the engine cranking over so we can see what's going on? That would be great. You can upload it here with your response. I will be able to tell if the engine is okay from the video.
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Monday, September 2nd, 2019 AT 10:41 AM
Tiny
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Okay, so put everything back in, what about the rod that fell off of distributor, just stick it back in bottom the into engine?Do I need to turn balancer to TDC or TDC plus degree.
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Tuesday, September 3rd, 2019 AT 7:08 PM
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That rod runs your distributor and the oil pump so it is critical it goes back in correctly.

First you need to set the motor to top dead center on the compression stroke on the #1 cylinder. The easiest way to do this is to pull the #1 spark plug. Put your finger over the plug hole. Not in the hole but over it. Then crank to motor until you feel the pressure blow your finger off the hole. Then put a ratchet on the crank bolt that holds the harmonic balancer on and line up the notch on the balancer with the TDC mark on the timing chain cover. That will be TDC top dead center.

Then put the rod back in the hole. Note:
Both ends of the rod should be keyed. Make sure the end that was down goes back in down and engages the oil pump.

Now comes the fun part. The distributor is run by the end of the cam shaft. You will notice the worm gear on the end of the distributor. As you drop the distributor back in the hole the rotor will turn as the worm gear engages. Here is what needs to happen all at once. The slot in the rod has to line up with the slot in the bottom of the distributor shaft when the distributor drops all the way down you need the rotor pointing at the #8 spark plug so that it is pointing at #1 on the distributor cap. See image below.

In order to do this you need to line up the rod with the slot on the bottom of the distributor shaft and because it will turn as you put it in you need the rotor pointing at the #4 cylinder so that as it rotates on the way in it ends up pointing at #8 when its all the way down.

You will find you will need to turn that rod just a bit again and again until it lines up.

If this is not put in correctly, the car will not run.

Also note.. when the distributor is installed the shoulder at the bottom of it should be all the way down to the motor with no gap. If you have a gap it is not all the way down and is probably hanging up on the rod.

Here is a video to help you get an idea of what to do:

https://youtu.be/mZ17tftzkeo

Once you get this back in let me know and we can set the timing.

Let me know how it goes, Rich
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Tuesday, September 3rd, 2019 AT 8:05 PM
Tiny
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Okay, so now I have created a bigger headache for myself. As I was putting things back in the oil pump rod fell off the distributor and kept going, I’m guessing into the oil pan? I am guessing I will have to drop oil pan? Be patient with me, I’m blind in one eye and not great in other. But I’m not giving up on this. Thanks for all the help. Am I right on oil pan?
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Thursday, September 5th, 2019 AT 10:26 AM

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