2003 Dodge Caravan Van won't start - multiple things alread

Tiny
MICHAELWBITTON
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  • 2003 DODGE CARAVAN
  • 6 CYL
  • FWD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 95,000 MILES
Had an issue a while back with my 03 Caravan not starting. It started out with one or two missed starts, then eventually got to the point where it won't start at all.

- My first thought was starter/solenoid, so I replaced those. (This is one of those 2-in-1 deals where the solenoid is part of the starter. I am NOT a fan.) No luck.
- Towed it in to a mechanic, he said it was the TCM and wanted 1,000.00 to do it, but gave me the information to try it myself.
- Ordered a new TCM, had it flashed with the VIN/mileage/etc, installed it today, no luck.
- Tried swapping out relays, no luck
- Checked fuses, they're all good.

A couple of odd things:

- There are two wires going to the starter on the bottom; one is in a harness and connects to the solenoid, the other just screws on to a bolt on the starter. I put a voltage tester on both of them and the one in the back has a constant 12V, while the one in the front (that connects to the solenoid) has nothing, even when the key is turned to "Crank the damn engine already!" Position.
- When I turn the key to the "On" position, all of my dash lights come on, then go off as normal. Then when I try to crank the engine over the "BRAKE (!)" Light comes on, even though my parking brake isn't engaged. This stays on for about 3 seconds, then goes off, which makes me think that it's an indicator of. Well, something.

My Google-Fu is all tapped out, as is my bank account at this point, thanks to all these shiny new parts. Any suggestions/pointers are welcome.
Monday, July 19th, 2010 AT 10:43 PM

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Tiny
RASMATAZ
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Sounds like no cranking when key is turn to starting position, is this correct?

Check and test fuse number 9 and 23 in the integrated power module if okay continue on to the starter motor relay, then the ignition switch and then last the computer.
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Friday, July 20th, 2018 AT 3:45 PM
Tiny
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What would be the best way to check the ignition? I have tried pretty much everything up to this point.
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Friday, July 20th, 2018 AT 3:45 PM
Tiny
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Get a helper disconnect a spark plug wire or two and ground it to the engine at least 3/16 away from ground-have helper crank engine over-do you have a snapping blue spark?

No snapping blue spark continue to troubleshoot the ignition system-power input to the coil/coil packs, coil's resistances, distributor pick-up coil, ignition control module, cam and crank sensors and computer.
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Friday, July 20th, 2018 AT 3:45 PM
Tiny
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Ras,

I do have another question. I have a Chiltons manual and it has instructions for testing the relays (something the guys at AutoZone had no clue how to check for.) So I pulled all the relays and they tested as good. Further on the manual, it outlined how to check for continuity using a circuit tester, so I tried checking terminals 85 and 86 on the starter relay socket and could not get a reading, does this mean I have a break somewhere in the circuit, or is it normal for this particular circuit to not have continuity when turned off? I thought that it would at least provide some sort of reading regardless. FWIW, I tried all the settings on the circuit tester, since I am not 100% sure which one would give me the information I wanted.

Sorry if these sound like basic questions, I am a computer geek by trade, and cars are a little outside of my realm of expertise. :)

Thanks!
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