Steering wheel wont lock

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KIBLERCREW
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  • 2003 DODGE CARAVAN
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I went out to my van yesturday and it wouldnt start no noise no nothing. I also noticed that the steering wheel wouldnt lock. I replaced the starter and the ignition switch. It started a couple of times after replacing the ignition switch but then the same problem returned and the steering wheel still wont lock. Any suggestions?
Tuesday, December 9th, 2008 AT 7:37 PM

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ZACKMAN
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The two problems may or may not be related. The problem with the steering wheel is probably from faulty or broken steering column locking pin or from the steering column assembly itself.

The not starting may have something to do with the key switch assembly as improperly installed into the steering column as the locking pin being faulty. Or it could be from lack of electrical current from the battery, or broken fuse/relay.

I would check the steering column assembly locking pin first.


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Tuesday, December 9th, 2008 AT 8:56 PM
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Gentelman : My van was stolen. They busted they busted the ignition switch. How do I replace the switch. Thanks KJ
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:26 PM (Merged)
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Ignition Switch (Removal & Installation)
Disconnect and isolate negative battery cable.
On tilt columns, remove tilt lever.
On all models, remove upper and lower steering column covers.
Remove 3 Torx screws.
Gently pull s witch away from column.
Release connector locks on ignition, Key-In switch, and Halo light connectors.
Remove switch from connectors.
To install, reverse removal procedure

Lock Cylinder (Removal)
Remove ignition switch. With key inserted and ignition switch in LOCK position, depress lock cylinder retaining pin using a small screwdriver.
Rotate cylinder to OFF position.
Lock cylinder should now be unseated from ignition switch assembly.
Rotate cylinder counterclockwise to LOCK position and remove key.
Remove lock cylinder

Installation
1.Install electrical connectors on switch assembly. Position park lock slider linkage in mid-travel.

NOTE: On column shift vehicles, shifter must be in PARK position. Ignition switch must be in LOCK position (column lock flag parallel with ignition switch terminals).

2.Mount ignition switch to column. Tighten mounting screws to 17 INCH lbs. (2 N.m). Install upper and lower steering column covers. Install tilt lever (if equipped). Reconnect negative battery cable.

3.With lock cylinder and ignition switch in LOCK position, insert lock cylinder into switch assembly until it bottoms. Insert key. Gently push in on key while rotating key clockwise to end of travel. Check for proper operation of ignition switch in all positions


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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:26 PM (Merged)
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UNAT2CARPROS
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The ignition switch fuse (10A) keeps blowing. It only seems to happen when the vehicle is in drive. I can idle it forever in park, and it runs fine. As soon as I shift to drive and start going, it dies. I replaced the ignition switch, but the ignition switch fuse continues to blow
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:26 PM (Merged)
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WRENCHTECH
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The fuses are labeled by number. What number fuse is it.
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:26 PM (Merged)
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That fuse also supplies power to the FUEL PUMP RELAY. If the relay is the problem it could cause the fuse to blow. Try swapping the fuel pump relay with an identical relay (in the same fuse box you should have an identical one). If the problem goes way then replace that relay.
If not, check for a wire with a bare spot on it in the large group of wires which lead from the power distribution box near the battery. These wires go under the battery box and it has been found that sometimes battery acid leaks on them and corrodes away the insulation allowing the bare wire to touch the frame causing blown fuses and other problems.
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:26 PM (Merged)
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UNAT2CARPROS
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Fuse number 23 is the number
freemba:
I will try that.
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:26 PM (Merged)
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1999 Dodge Caravan 6 cyl Two Wheel Drive 142k miles

Please list the steps to replace a "punched" ignition
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:26 PM (Merged)
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REMOVAL & INSTALLATION

Ignition Lock Cylinder

CAUTION
The Supplemental Inflatable Restraint (SIR) system must be disarmed before working around the air bag or SIR wiring. Failure to do so may cause accidental deployment of the air bag, resulting in unnecessary SIR system repairs and/or personal injury.

Disconnect and isolate the negative battery cable from the battery.
In order to disarm the air bag system, allow the SIR system capacitor to discharge for at least 2 minutes, before performing any removal procedures.
Remove the screws that secure the parking brake release handle to the instrument panel.
Remove the screws that secure the bottom of the lower steering column cover to the instrument panel.
Disengage the retaining clip that holds the right side of the lower steering column cover to the instrument panel.
Remove the lower steering column cover from the vehicle.
Remove the mounting screws that hold the upper and lower steering column shrouds and remove the lower steering column shroud.
Install the ignition key and turn the key cylinder to the RUN position. This is important because it will not only aid in removal of the ignition lock, but will also place the socket (in the lock cylinder housing) in proper alignment for the installation of the replacement ignition lock.
Press in the lock cylinder retaining tab and remove the key cylinder (ignition lock).

To install:

Install the ignition key into the replacement ignition lock key cylinder. Turn the key to the RUN position. Depress the ignition lock key cylinder retaining tab.
Align the shaft at the end of the ignition lock cylinder with the socket in the end of the ignition lock cylinder housing.

Align the ignition lock cylinder with the grooves in the lock cylinder housing. Push the ignition lock cylinder into the housing until the retaining tab sticks through the opening in the lock cylinder housing.
Turn the ignition key to the OFF position and remove the key.
Install the lower steering column shroud and install the mounting screws.
Place the lower steering column cover into correct position on the lower instrument panel and engage the clip that secures the right side of the cover to the instrument panel.
Install the lower steering column mounting screws.
Install the mounting screws that hold the parking brake release handle to the instrument panel.
Reconnect the negative battery cable.

REMOVAL & INSTALLATION

Ignition Switch

Disconnect and isolate the negative battery cable from the battery.
Allow the SIR system capacitor to discharge for at least 2 minutes, before performing any removal procedures. The air bag system is now disabled.
Remove the key cylinder (ignition lock).
Using a No. 10 Torx  tamper proof bit, remove the ignition switch mounting screw.
Depress the ignition switch retaining tab and carefully pry the ignition switch from the steering column.
Disconnect the electrical connectors from the ignition switch and remove the switch from the vehicle.

To install:

Be sure the ignition switch is in the RUN position and the actuator shaft in the ignition lock housing is in the RUN position.
Reconnect the electrical connectors to the ignition switch.
Carefully install the ignition switch, making sure the ignition switch snaps over the retaining tabs.
Install and tighten the ignition switch mounting screw.
Install the key cylinder (ignition lock). Complete the installation by reversing the removal procedures.
Reconnect the negative battery cable.
Check switch operation.
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:26 PM (Merged)
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WRENCHTECH
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Fuse #23 powers the ignition switch. That means that the switch or anything it powers can be the cause so you're going to have to start inspecting the switch and wiring looking for something shorted out. Overloads can be very hard to identify.
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:26 PM (Merged)
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Cannot get the key to turn in the swithch. Tried rocking the steering wheel to get it free but to no avail.

Is there some other trick to try
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:27 PM (Merged)
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BUDDYCRAIGG
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Try 2-A

There are 4 things that I see over and over again, that keep an ignition lock cylinder from turning.

1.
The steering wheel lock is under pressure.

When you turn off your car and remove your key.
A spring loaded post sticks up in to one of many holes in the steering wheel.
This locks the steering wheel in place, making your car harder to steal, because a bad guy cant turn the steering wheel if they somehow get your car started without the key.

But this can also keep you from turning the ignition lock.
If the steering wheel is under pressure because your front wheels are against a curb, or you have the wheel cranked all the way to one side or the other. The pressure from the steering wheel on the spring loaded post keeps you from being able to turn the key.

So while trying to pull the steering wheel one direction or the other, try to turn the key, this may solve your problem.

2-A.
The pins are not falling into place.

You kinda need to know how a lock works for this part.
Look at a key and you will see there are different depth cuts in it.
Those different cuts correspond with different length pins in the lock cylinder.
See how the red pins are of different length?
But with the key inserted, they are all even with the blue pins.


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/281878_Pin_tumbler_with_key1_1.jpg



When the red pins are held in the correct position by the correct key, the spring loaded blue pins are flush with the outer housing of the lock, and the red pins are flush with the inner cylinder of the lock
And thus the inner cylinder can be rotated.


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/281878_250pxPin_tumbler_unlocked1_1.png



If debris such as pocket lint, ear wax, or just plain old dirt gets into the pins and causes enough friction for the spring loaded blue pins to not be able to push the red pins back in place.
Then the red pins will be partially stuck in the hole for the blue pins and the cylinder can not turn.

Putting the key in the lock and then tapping on it with a small hammer may help until you have the chance to have the lock cleaned.

Do a search for the word "bump key" if you want to know more about how a lock cylinder works.

2-B.
The same goes for if a key is worn out.
If a key is badly worn, then it will not put the red pins in the correct spot and some of the pins will keep the cylinder from turning.

If your key is worn out, try a spare if you have one.
Or put the key in and "Jiggle" it while trying to turn the lock.

3.
A problem with the interlock cable from the gear selector to the lock cylinder. Make sure you are completely in park.
You pretty much have to take things apart and visually inspect it to verify this problem.

4.
A mechanical problem with the linkage from the lock cylinder to the electrical part of the ignition switch.
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:27 PM (Merged)
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Thanks, this explains why many people are able to solve the problem by tabbing the key. I tried this but it does not work. The strange thing is that the steering wheel is not locked, even with the key removed. I tried to turn the steering wheel back and forth, rocked the van back and forth, wiggled the gear shift lever, and tabbed the key while in the lock and holding it down, nothing worked.
I also disconnected the battery and did all of the above before and after re-connecting it.
The problem started a few days ago but with wiggeling the key and slamming the key into the lock with some impact got is going.
Any suggestion?
Many thanks
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:27 PM (Merged)
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My 2002 Dodge Caravan ignition switch is stuck preventing it from starting. It was been doing this periodically, but I've been able to turn the key over (upside down), jiggle it, etc. And it will turn. This time not. Perhaps it has something to do w/ the temp outside (-20). Any ideas out there? Thanks.
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:27 PM (Merged)
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DAVE H
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If you cannot get the key to the RUN position you will have to drill it out i'm afraid !!

IGNITION SWITCH & LOCK CYLINDER
Removal
Disconnect negative battery cable.
Remove steering column cover retaining screws.
Remove parking brake release cable from handle.
Remove screws holding steering column shrouds and remove lower shroud.
Place key cylinder in RUN position. Depress lock cylinder retaining tab and remove key cylinder. See Fig. 5 .
Remove ignition switch mounting screw with a No. 10 Torx(R) tamper proof bit.
Depress retaining tab and gently pry ignition switch from steering column.
Disconnect electrical connectors from ignition switch and remove switch.
Fig. 5: Removing Lock Cylinder
Courtesy of DAIMLERCHRYSLER CORPORATION


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/266999_lock_8.jpg



Installation
Ensure the ignition switch is in the RUN position and the actuator shaft in the lock housing is in the RUN position.
Install electrical connectors to ignition switch.
Carefully install the ignition switch. The switch will snap over the retaining tabs. Install mounting screws.
Install upper and lower shrouds.
Install key cylinder (cylinder retaining tab will depress only in the RUN position).
Connect negative cable to battery.
Check for operation of ignition switch and key-in warning switch.
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:27 PM (Merged)
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All of a sudden, the key wouldn't turn the ignition switch. No matter how I twisted the key, wiggled it. Etc. I shot some WD40 into the switch thinking steel dust would have jambed some of the tumblers. That didn't do it.

I had to get aggressive. Removed the plastic from around the head of the switch coller, attached the vise grip, and cracked the ignition past home position.

I'm now able to just turn the ignition, only as expected, the tumblers are causing enough friction.

I want to know how to replace the ignition. Can you help?

Regards,
Stephen
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:27 PM (Merged)
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MIKE H R
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When you tried to turn the ignition sometimes the steering wheel lock gets caught. attached is how to remove the ignition switch. Make sure the battery terminal is disconnected


https://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/54223_ignition_switch_caravan_1.jpg

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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:27 PM (Merged)
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Thanks, for your prompt reply. Just a note. I was only able to barely make out the words in the gif you attached. The resolution was too low, and I couldn't make out the picture.

Nevertheless, I was able to get the ignition apart. The tumbler is broken, but still spins. It's really a tool to turn the ignition now.

I took apart the contact housing and cleaned up the copper tracks and contacts. That seemed to make a difference. Amazing just how much they wear over the years. The contact points were most likely round. They're flat topped now.

The ignition has no security as the key can be taken out in any position. But, at least, I can start the vehicle normally, and the key doesn't get stuck.

That's 4 hrs of my life I won't get back. Better than a $300.00 bill to repair.

That's life in the fast lane.

Thanks, for your help.

Regards,
Stephen
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Wednesday, April 17th, 2019 AT 6:27 PM (Merged)
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FIXITMR
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I got boobys problem! Wheel is NOT locking and key wont turn! So far solved by turning wheel over half turn while holding pressure on key! I'm concerned it will get worse!
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