Engine misfire? I've been getting the P0301 code?

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I recently hit a deer and the van ran after the accident. I have now just put a radiator and new bumper on. But now when I try to start it, it will not stay running unless I press the gas pedal
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:42 AM (Merged)
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That's because you disconnected the battery. The Engine Computer has to relearn "minimum throttle" before it will know when to be in control of idle speed.

To meet the conditions for the relearn to take place, drive at highway speed with the engine warmed up, then coast for at least seven seconds without touching the pedals.
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:42 AM (Merged)
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Engine Mechanical problem
2002 Dodge Caravan 6 cyl Two Wheel Drive Automatic

Hello there I am having probles with my caravan. All of a sudden one morning I tried to start the car but would not start (cranked fine and had gas) I changed the crank position sensor, and got it to start but the noticed a miss in the engine I the but a reader on it and got codes 300,302,304 which are misfire codes. I checked the plugs and plugs wire (seemed ok). My next thoughts are that it might be the cam position sensor? What is your advice Thanks
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:43 AM (Merged)
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Engine misfires can be caused by worn or fouled spark plugs, a weak spark (weak coil, bad spark plug wire), loss of compression, vacuum leaks, anything that causes an unusually lean fuel mixture (lean misfire), an EGR valve that is stuck open, dirty fuel injectors, low fuel pressure, or even bad fuel.
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:43 AM (Merged)
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Hello I have a 2002 dodge caravan 3.3 with cyl 1 misfire, the issue was a random miss fire and cyl 1, 4 misfire but I replaced plugs and wires plugs are replaced with oe and beldan wires from napa, still had a miss so I replaced the coil pack, now its just cyl 1 miss
iv done a spray test by taking intake plenum off and flipping the fuel rail up side down and every injector sprayed and had a good spray pattern. Drove it for a little while and then pulled cyl 1 plug and its carbon fouled. I'm thinking next step is compression iv also made sure there was spark by removing the plug and holding to ground.
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:44 AM (Merged)
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I think that is a good idea. Let me know what you find.
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:44 AM (Merged)
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Tested compression on cyl 1 120psi. Cyl 2-6 were anywhere from 150-160 psi. Pored a little oil in cyl 1 and compression tested again and compression didn't change in cyl 1. So I'm guessing valves are sticking open or head gasket. (It eats coolant to). I'm gonna either take the heads off in the spring.
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:44 AM (Merged)
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You never want more than a 10% variation between cylinders. Based on the coolant issue, my guess is you have a bad head gasket.
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:44 AM (Merged)
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Hello,
My check engine light came on about a month ago. I did the self check and the error code came back as
P031: Cylinder 1 Misfire

I ran a few bottles of injector cleaner with no help. I changed the plugs and wires, no help.

I then changed the coil, no help.

I am thinking it could be the injector, but I am not sure how I can test it. Is there a simple way without having to remove it or could it be something else causing this error code?
Thanks for your help!
Greg
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:44 AM (Merged)
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Check wiring or clean/replace the CMP/CKP

Camshaft Position (CMP) sensor is located on rear of cylinder head, just below valve cover. CMP sensor uses a target magnet attached to rear of camshaft and uses locating dowels for proper positioning.
As target magnet rotates, CMP sensor senses the change in the polarity. The polarity change causes CMP sensor output voltage to switch from high-voltage of 5 volts (at magnet north pole) to a low-voltage of.3 volt (at magnet south pole). CMP sensor delivers input signal to Powertrain Control Module (PCM). PCM uses this input signal along with input signal from Crankshaft Position (CKP) sensor for determining crankshaft position for fuel injection synchronization and cylinder identification.

Camshaft Position Sensor (3.3L & 3.8L)
Camshaft Position (CMP) sensor is located on top of timing chain cover, just below thermostat housing. End of CMP sensor is located directly above camshaft sprocket. A notched ring is mounted on front of camshaft sprocket.
As camshaft rotates, CMP sensor generates pulses due to notch areas on the notched ring. When solid metal area on notched ring passes below CMP sensor, voltage decreases to less than.5 volt. When notch on notched ring aligns with bottom of CMP sensor, voltage increases to 5 volts. Switching of the voltage generates pulses. These pulses provide an input signal to Powertrain Control Module (PCM). PCM uses input signal along with Crankshaft Position (CKP) sensor input signal for determining fuel injection synchronization and cylinder identification.

Crankshaft Position Sensor (2.4L)
Crankshaft Position (CKP) sensor is located on cylinder block, behind generator, near oil filter. Crankshaft contains a crankshaft pulse ring which contains 2 sets of notches ground into the No. 2 counterweight.
As crankshaft rotates, CKP sensor generates pulses due to notch areas on the No. 2 counterweight. When solid area on crankshaft pulse ring aligns with bottom of CKP sensor, voltage decreases to less than.3 volt.
When notch area on crankshaft ring aligns with bottom of CKP sensor, voltage increases to 5 volts. Switching of the voltage generates pulses. These pulses provide an input signal to the Powertrain Control Module (PCM). PCM uses input signal to determine crankshaft position. PCM uses input signal along with other various input signals for controlling fuel injection synchronization and ignition system.

Crankshaft Position Sensor (3.3L & 3.8L)
Crankshaft Position (CKP) sensor is located on top of transaxle housing, above flywheel, near corner of rear exhaust manifold.
Flywheel contains 3 sets of slots areas near starter ring. Each slot area contains 4 slots in each set. As crankshaft rotates, CKP sensor generates pulses due to slot areas on the flywheel.
When solid area on flywheel aligns with bottom of CKP sensor, voltage decreases to less than.3 volt. When slot area on flywheel aligns with bottom of CKP sensor, voltage increases to 5 volts. Switching of the voltage generates pulses. These pulses provide an input signal to the Powertrain Control Module (PCM). PCM uses input signal to determine crankshaft position. PCM uses input signal along with other various input signals for controlling fuel injection synchronization and ignition system.
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This vehicle has a slight miss fire only at idle.
Driver complain of heavy fuel consumption
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:44 AM (Merged)
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I would pull the spark plugs to see if one is fouling out from a rich condition. A bad o2 could cause the fuel system to be driven rich all the time, it should show a fault code.
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The van misses in idle after warmed up. Also bucks intermittently when stopping and starting at lights.

Installed new spark plugs, wires, ignition coil, fuel pump, fuel filter. Cleaned IAC and TPS. What's next.
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:45 AM (Merged)
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Go to this link for further info:
https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-misfires-or-runs-rough
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:45 AM (Merged)
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I should have done this a long time ago. Posting resolution so it might benefits others.

It was bad egr valve. After reading about how egr works, an open egr valve scenario started to make sense since I had already eliminated other things as described in the original post.
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Van misses continuously. It gets worse when a/c is on. I have checked the wires for spark, did the compression test, and can hear injectors clicking using stethoscope.

The only engine code I have is related to large evap leak.

Thanks.
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:45 AM (Merged)
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Hav eit scanned for codes and check fuel pressure with a gauge then have a pro check coils/plug wires etc.
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:45 AM (Merged)
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I should have done this a long time.

I used for a few more days and it got really bad. The engine started shuddering while driving. I would have expected that it to set some sort of trouble code but it never did.

It turned out to be a bad spark plug. I found it the old fashion way by plug wires one by one and observed for idle change. Once I found the cylinder causing the problem, first checked its wire by switching from another cylinder and then spark plug the same way. Replaced the plug and everything was normal.
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Hi
My caravan is missfire change all plus wire and still. No engine light comes on any suggestion
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Monday, July 27th, 2020 AT 9:45 AM (Merged)
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I'm not sure I understand. You have a misfire, no check engine light, and you replaced the plugs and wires and nothing has changed? Have you checked to make sure the injector is firing? Are you getting spark to the bad cylender? Have you checked compression in that cylender? Fuel pressure?
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