Cranks but does not start

Tiny
RONALD THOMPSON
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  • 2001 GMC SAVANA
  • 5.0L
  • V8
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 105,000 MILES
Van went from starting and running fine to a no start situation. Check engine light came on and inserted a code reader (Blue Driver). As the engine was idling it just shut off and I couldn't restart it.
Wednesday, August 7th, 2019 AT 7:10 PM

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Tiny
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Welcome to 2CarPros.

What you described sounds like a bad crankshaft position sensor. When they go bad, often times it will start with stalling when the engine gets warm. When the sensor goes bad, ignition spark to the plugs is lost. It could be fuel related too. The easiest way to check for spark and fuel to the engine is to see if it will start with starting fluid. If it does for a couple seconds, then we know it has spark and is a fuel related issue. If it doesn't even try to start with starting fluid, chances are the is no spark to the plugs and it is ignition related.

Take a look through these links:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-a-crank-shaft-angle-sensor-works

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/symptoms-of-a-bad-crankshaft-sensor

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/crankshaft-angle-sensor-replacement

Now, will add another thought that I would recommend checking before replacing the sensor. On these vehicles, all coil packs have a common ground. The ground runs through the harness above the intake and then one black wire runs down the driver's side of the engine toward the front of the engine. Aprox below the second cylinder back on that side. Check to make sure the wire is attached, not damaged, and not corroded. Often times they can look good but as soon as you touch the connector, they break.

Here is a link that you may find helpful. It explains how to check for ignition spark. If you find there is no spark, I suspect one of the above issues is the cause.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-an-ignition-system

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If you could do these tests and let me know the results, I can better guide you to a repair.

Let me know,

Joe
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Thursday, August 8th, 2019 AT 8:34 PM
Tiny
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Thanks, Joe. I'll check the spark and ground. I put a fuel pressure tester to the fuel rail and it read 60 psi. The crankshaft wiring under the radiator was eaten by a wood chuck in 2009. The same symptoms as now. Crank, but no start. I'll check to see if the splices they made are corroded as well. Had corroded cam shaft position sensor wiring a few years ago going into the distributor. Mechanic cut back to good wiring and spliced in a new connector. I don't think it's that as the connector hasn't been connected to the distributor for a few years. Seems I forgot to put it back when I took off the intake manifold to install a new water gasket. Surprised the van even started, but it did and it didn't throw any check engine light.
Appreciate the guidance
. Ron
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Friday, August 9th, 2019 AT 8:05 AM
Tiny
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Welcome back:

Happy to help. Let me know what you find. Also, if you could, let me know if there is spark. The fuel pressure sounds good, so I suspect there is no spark. If there is, we'll have to check for an injector pulse.

I will watch for your response.

Take care,
Joe
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Friday, August 9th, 2019 AT 8:54 AM
Tiny
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Van started two times today, about 4 hours apart. Idled for about two minutes and shut off both times. Try to start again and just get crank and no start.
Was the black wire you were talking about the wire that goes to the coolant sensor? That was the only single black wire on that side of the engine. The wire looked fine. I would need to take jack up the van and take off the tire to get a gauge in there to test for continuity.
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Friday, August 9th, 2019 AT 1:09 PM
Tiny
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Welcome back:

As far as the ground, I am so sorry, I was a year off. Different design on this year. Here is what I need you to do: When it doesn't start, see if starting fluid will do the trick, at least for a couple seconds. If no response from the engine, then it is ignition related. I realize it has good fuel pressure, but it could be losing an injector pulse, so I really need to know if that is the case.

If there is no spark, then I suspect either the ignition control module is bad or the crankshaft position sensor.

I attached a picture of the control module so you can check to see if there are any wiring issues.

Let me know.

Joe
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Friday, August 9th, 2019 AT 8:18 PM
Tiny
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I'll check the fuel and spark tomorrow. If it starts and runs for 2-3 minutes, doesn't that mean it's getting gas and has spark?
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Saturday, August 10th, 2019 AT 8:21 PM
Tiny
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Welcome back:

Yes, it does. But when it doesn't start, one is most likely missing.

Let me know.

Joe
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Saturday, August 10th, 2019 AT 9:37 PM

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