Crank no start?

Tiny
BAYNH
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  • 2007 VOLVO S40
  • 2.4L
  • 5 CYL
  • 2WD
  • 160,000 MILES
I originally replaced the timing belt, water pump, and idler pulley on the car listed above. Everything was okay, the car started up and ran fine for about 2 weeks until the car had an oil from the cam seal and valve cover. While replacing the seals and valve cover, I removed the timing belt again to clean everything. After I got everything back together the car wouldn't start. I checked and made sure everything was lined up to the marks. Checked for fuel and spark. Everything was good. Is there something else I need to check for or is there something I could have missed and forgot to do in the process of putting everything back together? Please help and thank you in advance for any help.
Wednesday, March 15th, 2023 AT 10:56 PM

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Tiny
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Good morning, BAYNH,

It sounds to me like it might be slightly out of time. If it were me, I would take it back apart. You might have overlooked something. Don't worry it happens to the best of us. It's frustrating I know but you have to check everything.

I am adding the installation procedure for the timing belt as well as the torque specs and a couple of other illustrations that I think will be helpful for you.

I would go through it step by step and see what happened. Sounds like it just needs to be adjusted.

Thank you,
Brendon
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Thursday, March 16th, 2023 AT 2:58 AM
Tiny
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I got it running. Thank you. I had the tensioner set wrong. But now I'm having misfiring issues. Cylinder 1 at startup, cylinder 4 comes and goes but cylinder 5 is consistent. Any suggestions?
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Friday, March 17th, 2023 AT 10:50 AM
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Hello BAYNH,

Thats awesome glad to hear it and you're welcome. My thought is you are still slightly out of time but getting closer. I would try adjusting the tension just slightly more and see what changes.

The temperature of the belt matters when adjusting it so if you are working in the cold you should need to move it less than if it were at room temperature.

I would say you are very close but need to adjust a little more and see what that does. Sounds like you are losing compression because one of the valves are open slightly.

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Brendon
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Friday, March 17th, 2023 AT 12:21 PM
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I really appreciate the help so far; I double checked the timing again and everything seemed right. Did a compression test and got 115 all 5 cylinders. I couldn't find the specs for what it should be for those motors, but I thought it was low. Also, I got a 3502 code. I am thinking next step to check MAF or MAP. What should I be looking for spec wise for those? I also read that PCV is really common for these also. Really stumped. Any help or suggestions is really appreciated and thank you.
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Thursday, March 23rd, 2023 AT 9:43 AM
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Good morning, BAYNH,

The PCV can ruin seals and gaskets so that can be a possibility. To test it you can remove it and shake it. You should hear it rattle, if you don't then it's bad. In my opinion if you haven't replaced it or it's been a long time, I would just replace it. They are not expensive. It could have caused the oil leak that you had.

My information is telling me 3502-Missfire, Emission Effect. So basically, a P0300 or can point to a specific cylinder as well like a P0302. So, one or more of the cylinders is misfiring.

Your compression seems extremely low but it's consistent across all cylinders. I am finding spec around 180 range. So, something is affecting each cylinder in the exact way.

To me that points to a valve being open and causing you to lose compression because of the results you got.

What is the condition of the compression tester?

When you did the compression test did you hold the pedal to the floor? This needs to be done to ensure the engine is getting the best air flow possible.

Also, how many times did you rotate the engine during the test? Looks like Volvo is recommending 6-7 times.

I would re-run the test to confirm your findings are accurate. A MAP or MAF wouldn't cause compression to be low. So, I think we should find out why compression is low and go from there before we start speculating and doing unnecessary testing. This is considered a "dry" test. Complete this test and record your findings.

*Note leave the compression tester on and see if it is bleeding off at all before continuing to the next cylinder*

If compression is still low conduct the same test in the exact same manner but this time put a couple of teaspoons of oil in the cylinder to see if it changes. This is referred to as a "wet" test. If compression does change this points to bad rings. If not it's the valves.

Volvo also recommends performing the compression test with engine warm. I would do both cold and warm and match up your results and see if anything has changed.

**This engine is an interference motor meaning the valve and pistons paths interfere or cross each other. Be careful while performing these tests especially if we have a timing issue as engine damage may occur. **

In this case you should put each cylinder at TDC on the compression stroke and put compressed air into the cylinder and listen to the intake to see if is coming through there if not try to listen and see if it is coming from the exhaust. This is referred to as a leak down test. There is a tester you can get to help perform this test. I will add an image for you of this tester. The brand OTC is a good, decently priced brand that I recommend.

Here is the link:
https://www.amazon.com/OTC-5609-Cylinder-Leakage-Tester/dp/B0030EVL60/ref=asc_df_B0030EVL60?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=79920806880888&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4583520382784329&psc=1

Looks like there is a Variable Valve Timing solenoid on the intake side under the top timing cover. I suspect you might hear the air through the intake. But let's see.

See if you can test the resistance of this solenoid as well. I am sending the test over to you.

Also, what was going on that made you decide you needed to change the belt?

Was it because of mileage or where you having drivability issues or any codes? Rough idle? Poor performance? Anything at all will help aid in diagnosis.

Also, I don't have a lot of information for your vehicle. Could you please send me your entire 17-digit VIN so I will have access to more accurate information?

I know this is a lot of information but just work through it step by step.

Please try all these tests with the steps provided so that I can help you pinpoint the cause of the low compression. Without the proper compression the engine, as I am sure you are aware of, will cause the 3502 code, a misfire.

Then we can move on from there.

Thank you,
Brendon
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Friday, March 24th, 2023 AT 8:50 AM

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