Coolant level in radiator slowly dropping?

Tiny
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Routinely checking radiator coolant level, I always have found coolant surface about one inch from radiator filler ring. Now, however, the coolant surface is about 2.5 inches below the same filler ring.
1. Of course, I have checked for fluid drip marks in the dirt surface below the radiator, but have found none, so far.
2. The drop in fluid level could indicate a loss of coolant into the engine cylinder(s). On that possibility, I have watched for an actual increase in oil level (due to coolant entry) but have found none.
3. Oil level is normal but drops very slowly as typical for an oil burning engine. Have checked the oil for smell and appearance, but oil seems normal.
4. Plan to remove the coolant reservoir and trace the overflow tubing from radiator to reservoir for leaks / signs of leakage.
5. Have checked beneath the water pump for weepage, but found none, so far.

I plan to place a large cardboard panel beneath the engine to show the general location of any coolant drippage.

On this 250k engine, are there other items I should check?
Monday, May 6th, 2024 AT 9:41 AM

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Tiny
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Hi,

With this many miles, there is a chance the intake gasket is leaking, or you may have head gaskets that are in need of replacement. Additionally, if I recall correctly, there is a steel pipe that runs under the intake that may be starting to leak.

Pay attention to see if there is any white smoke from the exhaust. If there is take note if it has a sweet smell to it.

Here are two links that you may find of interest. They explain symptoms and how to check for a head gasket issue.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/recognizing-the-symptoms-understanding-a-blown-head-gasket-in-your-vehicle

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/head-gasket-blown-test

I've taken the heads off several of these engines to find the head gasket deteriorated around the water jackets. It's only a theory at this point.

Let me know.

Joe
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Monday, May 6th, 2024 AT 8:31 PM
Tiny
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It sounds like the radiator cap needs to be replaced because the upper seal has gone bad and is not pulling coolant in from the reservoir. Also, make sure the radiator fill is calen without damage. If it is cracked the radiator will need to be replaced. If you are unsure, you can upload an image of what you are seeing so I can tell for sure. Also go over this guide, it shows you the common spots for leak that are sometimes over looked.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-is-leaking-coolant

Please go over this guide and get back to us.
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Monday, May 6th, 2024 AT 8:32 PM
Tiny
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Ken, you wrote, ". Also, make sure the radiator fill is calen without damage. If it is cracked the radiator will need to be replaced."
I wanted to make sure of the radiator part you meant to type, in case a photo would help.
Thanks.
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Tuesday, May 7th, 2024 AT 7:18 PM
Tiny
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Joe, thanks for the response. I plan to review all videos 2CarPros provides, as well as others. This engine has the Dorman full intake plenum replacement part which addressed the widespread early Buick LeSabre OEM problem of coolant flooding the intake plenum because the hot EGR pipe melted the plenum plastic housing.

However, the Dorman part will not spare me from having to replace the head gaskets, if that is the problem. And since I must remove the plenum housing to remove the heads, I probably will need another plenum gasket set, as well, since re-using the Dorman plenum gasket may be too risky. What do you think?
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Wednesday, May 8th, 2024 AT 12:04 AM
Tiny
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Yes, please upload an image of the radiator fill so i can see, also if the cap was working correctly the coolant reservoir would be empty unless there is a leak in the cooling system. You might want to pressure test the system.

This guide can help:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/radiator-pressure-test

Please go over this guide and get back to us.

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Wednesday, May 8th, 2024 AT 12:44 PM
Tiny
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Ken, as of tomorrow, my replacement radiator cap (OEM) will be on its way to me. The photo attached shows a deteriorating rubber seal, and the filler neck is fairly dirty, so a brisk cleaning of the filler neck area and installation of the new radiator cap should indicate whether deeper problems await me.
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Sunday, May 12th, 2024 AT 11:30 PM
Tiny
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Yep, step at a time and do the obvious easy stuff first, btw I don't see the image can you please reload it?
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Monday, May 13th, 2024 AT 9:57 AM
Tiny
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Yesterday, the 2CarPros server was having problems with my two photos. They were uploaded and displayed as attachments, but they had disappeared when I checked your latest response. My own (local) computer is RAM-challenged, so that surely was involved.

In any case, I have ordered a Gates safety radiator cap for this Buick 1998 LeSabre 3.8L, since the safety cap spares me the prospect of developing multiple new leaks while I wait for a hot system to cool down and de-pressurize.

Should all radiator coolant added to a running system be poured into the coolant reservoir, rather than directly through the radiator filler neck? I am not sure, but I always have poured new fluid directly into the radiator filler neck.

See attachments below.
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Monday, May 13th, 2024 AT 9:19 PM
Tiny
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Thanks for the images. The radiator and cap look okay but I would do the cap anyway. Also, ways coolant directly to the radiator when the engine is running and then top off the coolant reservoir.
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Tuesday, May 14th, 2024 AT 10:07 AM

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