Car overheating fans not kicking on

Tiny
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https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=6TMR0RMYQy4
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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Sorry I am new to uploading YouTube videos. Okay here is the real link to video number one:

https://youtu.be/E3UBtKchljE
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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It is no trouble at all.
I saw that video and the way that needle jumps up makes me think it is not running hot. It is an electrical problem. A bad temperature gauge or sensor. Does it have a check engine light that is stuck on too? If so, you should definitely have it scanned for code numbers. Even if the check engine light is not on, that coolant sensor should be checked with a scanner or an ohmmeter. It is probably a bad sensor, but I could not recommend replacing it without scanning or measuring it with an ohmmeter first. https://www.2carpros.com/articles/checking-a-service-engine-soon-or-check-engine-light-on-or-flashing
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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No check engine light on at all, but I will run a scan on on the vehicle to check for any codes. I will replace the gauge I have another cluster laying around somewhere and I will replace the temperature sensor and see if anything changes and let you know the results.
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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Since you have a scanner you can see temperature data and temperature gauge at the same time.
So when the data reads normal and the gauge jumps up. Retest with another temperature gauge.
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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The scanner is just a basic ob2 scanner can I still test it?
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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Well if it only shows codes then yes you can test it. But they also have an option where it shows data and that will show exact temperature.
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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Got it. I will update you on the results. Thanks!
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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You say you removed the needles and added an overlay to the dash and after that this started correct? I would say the issue is the stepper motors are failing and the cluster needs to be repaired. Very common in that vintage to have the stepper motors fail, especially if they were touched at all. There are kit's and places you can send the cluster to for repairs. I do not recommend DIY unless you are very skilled at circuit board repair as the boards are not very rugged and unless you are extremely careful you can damage the board itself.
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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Thanks.
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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Just do not want to see you chasing overheating or other issues if it is a bad reading on the cluster.
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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Yes, but but the temperature gauge was working fine before and I believe it still is so far. I have replaced the temperature sensor and thermostat and temperature gauge still reads hot advertising it for about five to minutes my fans are not kicking on unless I turn on the AC. I ran the wires from the fans to the battery and they cut on, swapped the relay with my fog light relay and nothing changed. I am just so frustrated with this car now.
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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That is the issue, if the stepper is failing it could read wrong. With the fuel stepper being bad it is a real possibility. When you shut the car off and then turn the key on, where does the needle set? Does your scan tool read live data? If so compare it to the gauge.
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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The needle actually does not move at all for the gas gauge.
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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How about for the temperature gauge?
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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The temperature gauge starts off in the cold mark until about five or six blocks of driving the car. The temperature gauge needle jumps up to the halfway mark indicating it is beginning to overheat. The fans does not kick on even reaching 260 degree mark but I wired the fans to the battery and they immediately came on so they do work.
So far I have replaced the thermostat, and replaced the coolant temperature sensor, but it is not the ACdelco OEM. Would that make a big difference?
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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If it is not smoothly rising from the low mark as it warms up you have a bad stepper motor or a bad head gasket. The coolant is not going to suddenly heat up and cause the gauge to jump. A bad thermostat would cause it to simply either heat up rapidly until it boils over or if it fails open it will slowly heat up and probably set a code because it does not reach the control temperature in a short time.
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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It does raise up slowly as far as the temperature gauge as normal within time not rapidly it just keeps going tho never cools down.
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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Does it actually overheat to the point it boils out coolant? Or is it only the gauge? How about using an IR thermometer to check the temperatures at the block and hoses. That would tell you if it's real or related to wiring/cluster/sensor. The #93984 that HF sells is accurate enough for that testing.
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Sunday, July 22nd, 2018 AT 11:54 AM (Merged)
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Yes, it gets hot enough that is boils the coolant.
And what is "HF"?
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