Reverse lights not working?

Tiny
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  • 2006 CHRYSLER PT CRUISER
  • 2.4L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 120,000 MILES
Can anyone give me electrical diagram for the backup light? Thanks
Tuesday, November 20th, 2018 AT 6:59 AM

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Tiny
STEVE W.
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There are a couple for this because of the way the system works. The reverse light switch grounds the circuit into the TIPM (smart fuse block) which uses an internal relay to turn on the reverse lights.
To test which side of the system the problem is on requires you to access the connectors on the TIPM Specifically pin 8 in connector 5 and pin 11 in connector 8. With those two pins you can test if the problem is in the switch side, the TIPM itself or in the light side of the system. All you need is a simple fused jumper wire a test light and turning on the key.

If you apply a ground to pin 8 in C5 and the lights come on the problem is in the switch or its wiring. Then you go to the switch and apply ground to pin B on it. If the lights come on there the wiring from the switch to the TIPM is good. Apply ground to pin A and shift into reverse. If the lights come on now the issue is in the ground path from the switch to chassis. If they do not come on the issue is the switch itself.

On the power/light side you shift into reverse and check that there is power at pin 11 in C8. If there is power there but the lights are not on you connect the fused jumper wire to power and test your way down to the back up lights.
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Tuesday, November 20th, 2018 AT 9:14 AM
Tiny
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Okay, does the TIPM get signal from the transmission range sensor to turn on the back up light?
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Tuesday, November 20th, 2018 AT 5:28 PM
Tiny
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Yes, uses the same ground feed to activate the lights.
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Wednesday, November 21st, 2018 AT 7:42 AM
Tiny
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Sorry, I am confused. So if the backup light wont turn on when put gear in reverse so the problem could be TRS or Tipm. I have intermittent problem when I turn key to run position engine off. You will see what is in the video and the backup lights will not turn on. However, the car starts and runs but goes in limp mode. Parts replaced because of the same problem PCM and TIPM.
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Wednesday, November 21st, 2018 AT 8:56 AM
Tiny
STEVE W.
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Were these new parts that were programmed to your vehicle or used ones? What codes do you have in the system now? Intermittent issues on Chrysler products commonly turn out to be bad grounds or connectors. If you can get the codes we can start from there.
Yes the TIPM in a Chrysler controls 99.9& of the electronics in the car. (There are ways to bypass some of them by adding relays outside the box, but in your case we need to figure out what is causing it to limp mode first.
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Wednesday, November 21st, 2018 AT 12:14 PM
Tiny
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P0882 the PCM for certain reason does not send voltage to control transmission relay. Also, I know when the car will not shift by turning key to run position engine off if I see what is in the video I will know the car will go to limp mode also the gear on dash board all of them get selected or disappear. Also no back up light and I do not hear the fuel pump prime like I said all this is intermittent.
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Wednesday, November 21st, 2018 AT 6:07 PM
Tiny
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From that I would bet you have a bad ground or connector. Could you make a list of the things that do not work when you are seeing the problem? The more items the easier it would be to track to a common point. Plus it would narrow down the wiring diagrams needed.
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Wednesday, November 21st, 2018 AT 7:24 PM
Tiny
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I got a new TIPM that seemed to fix it thank you.
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Thursday, November 22nd, 2018 AT 7:46 AM

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