Shuts off while driving, anti theft switch

Tiny
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Okay, I'll hook it up until it shuts off and see what happens.
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Monday, March 22nd, 2021 AT 4:41 PM
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The first time this happened on my '88 Grand Caravan, I had the hose run under the right wiper arm. The second time, 200,000 miles later, I watched the gauge for over a year before it acted up long enough to find. That time I had it strapped to the radio antenna.
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Monday, March 22nd, 2021 AT 5:52 PM
Tiny
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So it won't ruin anything if I were to leave hooked up while I drive around?
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Monday, March 22nd, 2021 AT 5:54 PM
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Nope. It's no different than leaving a voltmeter connected to an electrical circuit or a pressure gauge on a compressed air line.
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Monday, March 22nd, 2021 AT 6:00 PM
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Okay, cool. Also instead of the needle staying steady it jumps back and for rapidly between 50-60 PSI. Why does it jumps back and forth?
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Monday, March 22nd, 2021 AT 6:01 PM
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Videos I've seen the needle jumps a little bit but stays pretty steady.
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Monday, March 22nd, 2021 AT 6:03 PM
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I haven't seen that before. What you can try is to find the two rubber fuel hoses where they cross over from the body to the engine, then, with the engine running, use a hose pinch-off pliers to pinch the smaller hose. That's the return hose for fuel going back to the tank after it squeezed through the spring-loaded pressure regulator. With it pinched, fuel pressure will go up to the maximum the fuel pump can develop. That could be as high as 70 psi. Don't do that any longer than necessary to see the results.

If the pressure remains steady with the hose pinched, remove the pliers, then unplug the vacuum hose from the regulator on the fuel rail, and plug that hose. No vacuum to the regulator equates to hard acceleration. There's two forces acting on a molecule of gas as it leaves the tip of an injector. Manifold vacuum is pulling on it and fuel pressure is pushing on it. Low vacuum during hard acceleration reduces one of those forces, so the regulator adjusts to make fuel pressure higher. As far as that molecule of gas is concerned, the total of the forces acting on it remains constant. You should see fuel pressure go up again. If pressure is smooth or steady, I'd question what is happening with that vacuum source. If pressure is still bouncing around wildly, but it wasn't with the return hose pinched, it would suggest the valve in the regulator is sticking. That would really be unusual, and I'd like to know more about that defect. GM did have a big problem with their regulators leaking fuel into the vacuum hose, but other than that, they have been very trouble-free on all brands and engines.

This might also be an issue with the gauge itself. Most pressure gauges have some sort of damping control to smooth out those confusing pulses. Often that is in the form of a restriction in the hose or the inlet port to the gauge, so it takes a fraction of a second for the gauge to respond to pressure or vacuum changes. That restriction might be missing, but for what we're looking for, that isn't a concern. We want to see if fuel pressure drops when a running problem occurs.

By the way, you will see fuel pressure drop noticeably when you're coasting from highway speed. Opposite as before, when you're coasting, manifold vacuum goes way up and that pulls the gas out of the injector harder. That by itself would result in a very rich coast-down condition. The vacuum applied to the regulator tugs on the spring-loaded valve to help it open sooner to maintain a lower pressure. Again, the total of the two forces remain constant. What took me a while to understand with my van was since the regulator was holding a lower pressure, it was much easier for the gas to push through the valve and go back into the tank. That is why volume goes way up during coasting, and if that volume can't get through the strainer in the tank, vacuum develops between the strainer and the pump. That vacuum offsets some of the pressure the pump is trying to develop. That is what results in the pressure on the gauge dropping too low during coasting if the strainer is plugged.
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Tuesday, March 23rd, 2021 AT 9:13 PM
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I appreciate all your guys help, but I can't do this anymore. I tried to go to the store a bit ago and it shut off half a block away and I was on the side of the road for over 30 minutes. So I figured the heck with it I'll just go home and that took me about 20 minutes because it would come on shut off come on shut off. I'm going to sell it, sad because I have probably $1000.00 in brand new parts in it.
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Wednesday, March 24th, 2021 AT 8:27 AM
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Did you have the gauge on it when this happened?
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Wednesday, March 24th, 2021 AT 4:13 PM
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Yes and the pressure stays between 48-50.
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Friday, March 26th, 2021 AT 9:25 AM
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Hi,

I noticed it's been a couple of days since we heard from you. Has any progress been made? We're interested in knowing.

Joe
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Sunday, March 28th, 2021 AT 8:11 PM
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So I have a theory that's been working out for me. 1. For some reason as long as I fight with it to stay on when I first start it and then let it shut off on its own whether I'm pushing the gas or letting it idle. Most of the time it won't stay on right away. 2. After it shuts off, most of the time it won't start back up right away so then, I'll try to start it up knowing it won't start I try anyway for a couple minutes. After a few minutes of trying to start it I leave it alone for 20-30 minutes and when I go out to try it again it's been starting right up and letting me drive all over town without shutting off at all. Even when I stop at the store and turn it off when I come out it starts right up it's the weirdest vehicle problem I've ever seen.
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Monday, March 29th, 2021 AT 7:41 PM
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Hi,

Did you check fuel pressure when it won't start? Does it lose spark when it won't start? Have you tried switching the ASD relay with a different one when it won't start? It is located in the under hood power distribution box. See pic below.

Joe
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Tuesday, March 30th, 2021 AT 5:49 PM
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I'm not sure about the spark but the fuel pressure stays the same around 50. I have changed ASD relay. As long as I fight with it to start it at first and then let it sit for 20 minutes it turns on and good after that I made the joke to my buddy earlier. She just doesn't like to be woke up so after I wake her up I got to let sit and get ready before we take off, lol.
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Tuesday, March 30th, 2021 AT 5:53 PM
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LOL Honestly, check for spark when this happens. It could be something simple. Here is a link that you may find helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-an-ignition-system

Let me know what you find. Either spark or fuel is being lost when it won't start. We just need to determine which. If you don't want to check for spark, see if it will start if you use starting fluid. If it does, then the problem is fuel-related. If it doesn't, then it is likely ignition-related.

Let me know what you find.

Take care,
Joe
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Tuesday, March 30th, 2021 AT 6:00 PM
Tiny
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I'll try that, but my little trick only works sometimes I guess. I got stuck at Walmart today but I just seen your message.
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Thursday, April 1st, 2021 AT 3:25 PM
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Hi,

Not a problem. Try it when you can and let me know what you find.

Joe
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Thursday, April 1st, 2021 AT 6:39 PM
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Here's my update: I made an appointment a while back to take to the shop before I took it I changed the upstream O2 sensor that was stripped and cut off. Man that was a tough job. But after I changed it my truck was still shutting off and was really hard to start so I took it to the shop and they had for a week and could not get it to shut off the whole time they had it they ended up not charging me full price since they couldn't get it to mess up lol I told them that's just my luck so I went and picked it up and it hasn't shut off since, lol. I think I fixed it when I put the O2 sensor but I have not had any problems since.
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Thursday, April 29th, 2021 AT 7:34 PM
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Hi,

That is very possible. It may have taken some time to clean itself out from the bad sensor. Regardless, I'm glad to hear it's running good for you. Let me know if it changes or if you have other questions.

Take care of yourself.

Joe
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Thursday, April 29th, 2021 AT 9:09 PM
Tiny
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Thank you for your help.
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Thursday, April 29th, 2021 AT 9:11 PM

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