Engine shut off while driving?

Tiny
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Wow! That was unexpected. Chains usually outlast the engine, but 200,000 is a lot.

I don't know if you want this, but here are the directions for replacement. All attached pictures correlate with these directions. Plus, the labor for this job shouldn't exceed 6.0 hours.

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TIMING CHAIN REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION
CHAIN AND SPROCKETS-TIMING

REMOVAL
1. Disconnect negative battery (1)cable.
2. Drain cooling system.
3. Remove upper intake manifold.
4. Remove cylinder head covers, crankshaft vibration damper, and timing chain cover.

CAUTION: When aligning timing marks, always rotate engine by turning the crankshaft. Failure to do so will result in valve and/or piston damage.

5. Align crankshaft sprocket timing mark to mark on oil pump housing (2). The mark on oil pump housing is 60° ATDC of #1 cylinder.

CAUTION: When the timing chain is removed and the cylinder heads are still installed, DO NOT rotate the camshafts or crankshaft without first locating the proper crankshaft position. Failure to do so will result in valve and/or piston damage.

6. Remove primary timing chain tensioner retainer cap (2) and tensioner (1) from right cylinder head.

7. Disconnect and remove camshaft position sensor (4) from left cylinder head.
8. Remove timing chain guide access plugs (3) from cylinder heads.

NOTE: When camshaft sprocket bolts are removed, the camshafts will rotate in a clockwise direction.

9. Starting with the right camshaft sprocket, remove the sprocket attaching bolts. Remove camshaft damper (1) (if equipped) and sprocket.
10. Remove left side camshaft sprocket attaching bolts and remove sprocket.
11. Remove lower chain guide (7) and tensioner arm (8).
12. Remove the primary timing chain (5).

REMOVAL - CRANKSHAFT SPROCKET

1. Remove primary timing chain.

CAUTION: Use care not to turn crankshaft while removing crankshaft sprocket, as damage to valves and or pistons could occur.

2. Remove crankshaft sprocket by first installing the crankshaft damper bolt. Apply grease or equivalent to damper bolt head and position Special Tools 5048-1(3), 5048-6 (2), and 8539 (1) on sprocket and crankshaft nose. Remove sprocket using care not to rotate the crankshaft.

INSTALLATION
TIMING CHAIN

1. Inspect all sprockets (4, 9, 11) and chain guides (2, 5, 10). Replace if worn.
2. Install crankshaft sprocket.
3. If removed, install right and left side short chain guides (11). Tighten attaching bolts to 28 Nm (250 inch lbs.).
4. Align crankshaft sprocket timing mark to the mark on oil pump housing(3).

NOTE: Lubricate timing chain and guides with engine oil before installation.

5. Place left side primary chain sprocket onto the chain so that the timing mark is located in-between the two (plated) timing links (1).
6. Lower the primary chain with left side sprocket through the left cylinder head opening.

NOTE: The camshaft sprockets can be allowed to float on the camshaft hub during installation.

7. Loosely position left side camshaft sprocket over camshaft hub.
8. Align timing (plated) link to the crankshaft sprocket timing mark (3).
9. Position primary chain onto water pump drive sprocket (10).
10. Align right camshaft sprocket timing mark to the timing (plated) link on the timing chain (8) and loosely position over camshaft hub.
11. Verify that all chain timing (plated) links are properly aligned to the timing marks on all sprockets.
12. Install left side lower chain guide (2) and tensioner arm (5). Tighten attaching bolts to 28 Nm (250 inch lbs.).

NOTE: Inspect O-ring on chain guide access plugs before installing. Replace O-ring as necessary.

13. Install chain guide access plugs to cylinder heads. Tighten plugs to 20 Nm (15 ft. Lbs.).

NOTE: To reset the primary timing chain tensioner, engine oil will first need to be purged from the tensioner.

14. Purge oil from timing chain tensioner using the following procedure:
a. Place the check ball (2) end of tensioner into the shallow end of Special Tool 8186 (3).

B. Using hand pressure, slowly depress tensioner until oil is purged from tensioner.
15. Reset timing chain tensioner using the following procedure: a. Position cylinder plunger (4) into the deeper end of Special Tool 8186 (3). B. Apply a downward force until tensioner is reset.

NOTE: If oil was not first purged from the tensioner, use slight finger pressure to assist the center arm pin of Special Tool 8186 to unseat the tensioner's check ball.

CAUTION: Ensure the tensioner is properly reset. The tensioner body (4) must bottom against the top edge of Special Tool 8186 (3). Failure to properly perform the resetting procedure may cause tensioner jamming.

NOTE: Inspect the tensioner O-ring (2) for nicks or cuts and make sure the snap ring (1) is correctly installed, replace as necessary.

16. Install the reset chain tensioner (1) into the right cylinder head.
17. Position tensioner retaining plate (2) and tighten bolts (1) to 12 Nm (105 inch lbs.).

18. Starting at the right cylinder bank, first position the camshaft damper (1) (if equipped) on camshaft hub, then insert a 3/8" square drive extension with a breaker bar into intake camshaft drive hub. Rotate camshaft until the camshaft hub aligns to the camshaft sprocket and damper attaching holes. Install the sprocket attaching bolts and tighten to 28 Nm (250 inch lbs.).
19. Turn the left side camshaft by inserting a 3/8" square drive extension with a breaker bar into intake camshaft drive hub and rotate camshaft until the sprocket attaching bolts can be installed. Tighten sprocket bolts to 28 Nm (250 inch lbs.).
20. Rotate engine slightly clockwise to remove timing chain slack, if necessary.

21. Activate the timing chain tensioner by using a flat bladed pry tool to gently pry tensioner arm towards the tensioner slightly. Then release the tensioner arm. Verify the tensioner is activated (extends).

22. Install camshaft position sensor (2) and connect electrical connector.
23. Install the timing chain cover, crankshaft vibration damper, and cylinder head covers.
24. Install upper intake manifold.

NOTE: After installation of a reset tensioner, engine noise will occur after initial start-up. This noise will normally disappear within 5-10 seconds.

25. Fill cooling system.

26. Connect negative battery (1) cable.

INSTALLATION - CRANKSHAFT SPROCKET

1. Install crankshaft sprocket using Special Tools 6780-1(1) and 8179 (2) until sprocket bottoms against crankshaft step flange. Use care not to rotate crankshaft.

2. Verify that crankshaft sprocket is installed to proper depth by measuring from sprocket outer face to end of crankshaft. Measurement should read: 39.05 ± 0.50 mm (1.5374 ± 0.020 inch).
3. Install primary timing chain.

Let me know how everything works out for you. I have to be honest, I'm not sure why the starter engaged when you did it manually, but not with the switch. That seems odd.

Joe
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:19 AM
Tiny
GHOST57
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  • 2006 DODGE CHARGER
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So I have the car listed above V8 Hemi. Every time I am in a stop for even a minute the car shuts off. The oil pressure light, the electronic throttle light, and check engine light all come on in the stop and just shut me car off. I have to put it in park and try to turn it back on. It turns on but then when I am at another stop, the lights turn back on, and shut off the car again. I already did an oil change and put fuel cleanser on it. Any ideas what could be the issue?
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:22 AM (Merged)
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This is real common after the battery has been disconnected for some other service. The Engine Computer has to relearn "minimum throttle" before it will know when it must be in control of idle speed. Until then, the engine may not start unless you hold the accelerator pedal down 1/4". You won't get the nice idle flare-up to 1,500 rpm's at start-up, and it will tend to stall at stop signs.

To meet the conditions for the relearn to take place, drive at highway speed with the engine warmed up, then coast for at least seven seconds without touching the pedals.
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:22 AM (Merged)
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JIMMITCHELL
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Problem number two with my car is that on three occasions over the last year, while in motion between 15-55 mph, the engine completely shuts off along with all accessories, such as the radio. If I try to start it immediately, it won't start. But if I shut off all the accessories, pull the key out, and wait a minute or two, it will start. One one occasion, it shutdown at least three times over a mile stretch. However, it was only on those three occasions, what was different? The difference was I had just filled up the tank, and it happened within a close proximity of the gas station, and different ones. What in the world does filling the tank up have to do with the engine shutting down? A friend of mine at work, who does a lot of his own car work, researched it and he thinks that the Dodge Charger's gas tank had a flaw with the rollover sensor/mechanism that is in the tank. His rationale was that when the tank was full, the gas would swoosh back and forth and it is impacting some sensor/mechanism that makes the computer think the car has rolled over, so the computer shuts everything off. Oddly enough, with my other issue, the mechanic found error codes related to low fuel levels? I have the list of all the errors he found if you're interested in seeing those. Thanks much
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:22 AM (Merged)
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Hello and thank you for using 2CarPros. Can you give us the codes so we can see what the computer is trying to tell you? If you are having running to lean codes then I would recommend your mechanic drive the vehicle with a fuel pressure gauge and have them duplicate the concern to see if you are losing pressure.

If you are having running too rich codes then you maybe overfilling the tank? Do you stop at the click when filling or give it a few more clicks in there to top off? If that is the case then you most likely saturated the charcoal canister with raw fuel. When the evap starts purging then it is sucking in the extra fuel causing your vehicle to flood and stall.

Please get back to us with the codes to see if it is a fuel issue or you could have some electrical issue causing the whole thing to shut down especially if the accessories are shutting down also.
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:22 AM (Merged)
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2006 charger r/t stalls after fueling up at the pump
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:22 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Are you able to restart after it stalled?
Is there any indicators showing on dash prior to the stalling?
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:22 AM (Merged)
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It takes a little bit after but yes the car restarts.I have restarted it rite after and revved it up to about 2000 rpms and the problem goes away. So far there are no indicators on the dash showing that is it stalls.I tried doing a key and key off three times after it stalls and no code appeared on the dash either. Ive check the fuel pressure and it wasnt flucuating while running.I did hear alot of gurgling coming from the tank while I was fueling and I dont over fill. Soon as it clicks off I pull the nozzle out and put it up. Its been consistant every time I fuel up.
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:22 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Symptoms indicates a possible fault with the EVAP system which would normally trigger trouble codes. Get a scan done to check if any trouble codes are stored.

It could be clogged EVAP lines, kinked hoses or faulty solenoids.
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:22 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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I did a scan on it and there were no trouble codes stored. Sorry I didnt mention that.I did it at the same time I checked the fuel pressure. How would I checked clogged EVAP lines. Would fuel system cleaners be able to unclog the line and how hard is it to replace or check solenoids.I did get underneith the car and could not find any kinks in the line. So far wwe havnt had any work on the car in that area. Wait we did have to have some work done on the rear diff but I dont think that would affect anything would it.
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:22 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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If the rear differential was worked on, it could have affected the system if the lines are kinked or bent too much.

Check the areas around the fuel tank for any interference to EVAP lines.

When no trouble codes are present, it should not be a fault with solenoids or electrical components. The lines are for pressure release and fumes control and is usually dry. Cleaners might not work as the lines are from front of vehicle to rear so it could be quite long.
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:22 AM (Merged)
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My dodge charger keeps stalling out when I am stopped at stop lights or when im rolling up to a stop light, also when I hit the gas it hesitates and kicks back in like 4-6 seconds, I changed the throttle body, but that didnt help. What do I do?
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:22 AM (Merged)
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The rear diff had work on it over a year ago. The problem is recent. Would it take that long for it to affect the lines.I will try and scan it again and see if anything pops up.I will also do another check on the lines and get back with you.
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:22 AM (Merged)
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Go to this link: https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-stalls
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:22 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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If the lines wre slightly kinked or clogged, it would take some time before the clogging becomes to bad till pressure is not being released while refilling.
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:23 AM (Merged)
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So after checking the evap lines and found nothing.I ran another check on the codes. It gave me a code of p1521. What exactly does this code mean
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:23 AM (Merged)
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P1521-INCORRECT ENGINE OIL TYPE

When Monitored:

Engine Running.

Set Condition:

Using the oil pressure, oil temperature and other vital engine inputs the PCM can determine the engine oil viscosity. Incorrect viscosity will effect the operation of the MDS by delaying cylinder activation.

Possible Causes
INCORRECT ENGINE OIL TYPE
ENGINE OIL CONTAMINATION
ENGINE OIL

Always perform the PRE-DIAGNOSTIC TROUBLESHOOTING PROCEDURE before
proceeding.

Diagnostic Test

1) ACTIVE DTC

NOTE: Review the customers oil change history. Ensure the customers is using the correct engine oil viscosity. If the incorrect oil is being used, change the oil, using the correct engine oil viscosity.

Ignition on, engine off.
With the scan tool, read DTCs.
Is the DTC active at this time?
Yes
Go to 2).

No
Test Complete.

2) ENGINE OIL

NOTE: If set along with P1521, repair any engine oil pressure or temperature DTCs first before continuing.

The following conditions must be checked.
†OEM recommended oil viscosity is being used.
†Customer is following the oil change schedule.
†Check the engine oil for contamination. (I.E, fuel and/or engine coolant)
†Internal engine condition that may effect oil pressure.

Were any of the above conditions found?

Yes
Repair as necessary.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST.

No
Change the engine oil using the correct oil viscosity.
Perform POWERTRAIN VERIFICATION TEST.
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:23 AM (Merged)
Tiny
THOMAS AUTOMOTIVE
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Driver hit a stop sign, little damage "left head light bumper cover ect." Now car starts and dies seconds later. ESP BAS light comes on and engine dies. Have changed oil pressure switch, it was leaking. Have tried desconnecting batt. And touching cables to reset comp? Jumped fuel pump relay harder to start but still dies. Data cable shorted on solus pro blew scanner - on a different car - so unable to scan. Clip on key remote that holds batt. In place is gone and batt. As well.
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:23 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Have you checked the wiring under the power distribution box under the hood? The harness there is known for poor connections causing these lights to come on. An accident could have caused a loose connection.
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Saturday, August 15th, 2020 AT 10:23 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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All connections seem to be good. The fuel pump shuts off after about 2 seconds and engine dies. It acts like security system, but has no light or light flashing. I changed the o.P. Switch because it was leaking hoping it wasn, t making the circut when o.P. Built up. Will the ESP BAS cause this and keep car from running.
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