Keep causing a skip or lugging code P0171

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Have you tried just listening to the injectors? Listen for a clicking sound coming from the injectors while the engine is running by using a mechanic's stethoscope, or a long screwdriver.
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Sunday, December 13th, 2020 AT 1:19 PM (Merged)
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O ok then nevermind my last post then. Injector circuit is good then. Yeah im not sure if just one ground is really enough there.
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Sunday, December 13th, 2020 AT 1:19 PM (Merged)
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Ok I went out and replaced 1 injector and it did nothing. Then I blew out the lines and it also did nothing. Then I did the pressure check and it started out @ 26 lbs of pressure then it slowly went to 36 lbs of pressure then stayed there for the 60 seconds plus I kept it on there for an additional 60 seconds. Now what? I was for sure it was an injector. But what the hell do I know.
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Im going out now to ground the piss out of the engine and see if that works.
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Ok I really thought it was with the injectors but we are going to have to go further down the fuel circuitry than that. Next we will need to test the PCM. Do this by turning ignition OFF and connecting PCM to the breakout box. Connect non-powered 12-volt test light between each injector ( 1 at a time ) and test pins Number 71 and 97. Crank or start the engine. If the light glows dimly then the PCM is ok and we will go on further with diagnosis. If the test light does not glow dimly (no light/ bright light) then the PCM needs replaced.
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Sunday, December 13th, 2020 AT 1:19 PM (Merged)
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I think I messed up. I connected the test light to a ground and touched pcm wires # 71 and 97 but I only turned 0n the key. I did not turn over I did not understand until I read the paragraph again is that ok or do I have to crank over? By the way the light was very bright during that test, same brightness as conected to the battery with test light. But I will go try test again the right way now brb.
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Need to crank or start engine
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Sunday, December 13th, 2020 AT 1:19 PM (Merged)
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Ok I did the test the correct way now and light did dim on all injectors on 71 and 97 pins. @ Injector site and on pcm site.
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Ok then this rules out your PCM AND your fuel injectors so it must be in the air induction. I may have already said this or you may have already done these but I can't remember so check the PCV system for leaks or restrictions, check all vacuum hoses for damage and tight connections.
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I did replace the pcv as a precaution, cheap enough, but it did no good. Now if u remember from a previous message. I said when I take a vacume line off on bank 1 side of throttle body, the injectors that were working, stop and the injectors that didn't work, start to work but engine idle fluctuates up and down alot when I do this. I just cant get all injectors to work @ once. Weird huh. What do I do from here. I've had it with this problem I just need my truck to work. I also replaced all vacume lines.
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1997 Ford F150 po171 code

A code P0171 or P0174 indicate the engine is running lean. This means there is too much air and/or not enough fuel. You can confirm the engine is running lean by looking at Short Term Fuel Trim (STFT) and Long Term Fuel Trim (LTFT). Normally, STFT and LTFT should be plus or minus 8 from zero. If STFT and/or LTFT are more than about +10 or higher, it indicates the engine is running LEAN. Negative numbers (-10 or more) indicates the engine is running RICH.

A lean fuel condition can be caused by:

* Low fuel pressure due to a weak pump or leaky fuel pressure regulator. (Use a fuel pressure gauge to check fuel pressure at idle)

* Dirty fuel injectors. (Try cleaning the injectors)

* Vacuum leaks at the intake manifold, vacuum hose connections or throttle body. (Use a vacuum gauge to check for low intake vacuum)

* Leaky EGR valve. (Check operation of EGR valve)

* Leaky PCV Valve or hose. (Check valve and hose connections)

* Dirty or defective Mass Airflow Sensor (MAF). (Try cleaning the MAF sensor wires or filament with aerosol electronics cleaner. Do NOT use anything else to clean the sensor, and do not touch the sensor wires)

* TIP: On many Fords, a P0171 and/or P0174 Lean Code may sometimes appear because of a bad Differential Pressure Sensor (DPFE). This sensor monitors EGR flow, and is located on the engine near the EGR valve. There are two hoses that connect the sensor to the tube that runs from the exhaust manifold to the EGR valve. The sensor misreads EGR flow and the computer increases EGR which has a leaning effect on the fuel mixture. The fix is to replace the DPFE sensor
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I have tried all that u have written to me here and more. I replaced both the fuel pressure regulator and and that other thing that the egr is connected to the dpfe sensor. I have checked pressure stays steady @ 36 lbs for 2 minutes and more I checked the pcm for power, replaced the injectors. Checked for proper voltage @ the injectors. Blew out fuel rail, checking for blockage, replaced the coil paks a while ago. Plugs, wires, replaced pcv. Changed oil, fuel and oil filter, replaced all vacume lines, checked for tightness, replaced just about everything I can reach and that I had from other motor that was good except for the knock sensor which is broke and disconnected under plentum w/ bare wires, but has nothing to do with fuel of air. I thik it is a vACUME leak. This happened to my previous engie also and I kept driving it and it blew a coil pak and 2 cylinders resulting I changing the motor so what ever it is or was is still there from previous engine. Any other suggestions. I could really use an actual birds eye view of the engine vacume routing. Please read all other messages before writing back so you can c what I have done ad eliminated so far. Thanks for jumpin onboard rasmataz. I could use all the help I could with this one. Oh and what do you think about the o2 sensors? Could they be the problem? It's 100 dollars to find out as I think there r only 2 on this model or is there four.
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Sunday, December 13th, 2020 AT 1:19 PM (Merged)
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Follow the link below to learn how to check an O2 sensor before replacing them..

https://www.2carpros.com/how_to/how_to_test_oxygen_sensor.htm
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Sunday, December 13th, 2020 AT 1:19 PM (Merged)
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I will go out in the morning and sheck the 02 sensors any idea though what wire (color) is the sensing wire on the 02 sensor itself?
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From: miamiii13
To: rasmataz
Posted: Mon Mar 16, 2009 10:30 pm
Subject: any other ideas
do u have any other suggestions to try or to eliminate things

Look for vacuum leaks and try the scantool for the trimmings this is as far as I can take you-Sorry
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Sensing wire should be red/light green for your trucks O2 sensors
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Ok ty, I will test them at some point 2day. Anything else I can try? Any ideas yet, or r u stumped also?
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Sunday, December 13th, 2020 AT 1:19 PM (Merged)
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Does anyone have any ideas or an fix for this troublesome problem with this truck? I neeeeeeeeeeeeed help fast good weather is approaching and I need this truck for work to support my family. At this time this is our only vehicle as a result of an accident with my wifes car last week. Someone pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez help me.
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Is there a way to check that the fuel pump is putting out the correct pressure and operating the correct way?
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I just disconnected a few of the plug wires from the coil pak and the engine did nothing. 2 from each coil pak did not change the tone of the engine, but two from each coil pak did. The same ones that the injectors are'nt working. I am going to change a plug or two and c if that changes anything. So in short injectors 1, 4, 6 & 7 don't work and 1, 4, 6, & 7 plug wires don't change the tone of engine when disconnected. But all the rest of the injectors do work and when I disconnect the plug wires 2, 3, 5, & 8 from the coilpaks the engine does nothing. Any ideas is this just because of the injectors just not working again? I am getting spark from both coils when I disconnect the wire.I can clearly c the spark from wire to coil pak and I see spark at the end of the wire to the plug.
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