Engine misfire?

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DAVE1310
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I just drove the vehicle over 200+ miles since I bought it used. I took it up to my daughter in school and the check engine light came on. The car had the code read of PO300 at AutoZone, and the car was taken to a mechanic in her area. He said don't worry about it(came-up with same code), but watch for any performance issues, and if that occurs bring the car in. My question is it is OK to keep driving the car while I try to diagnose the misfire-plugs, wires, coils, and injectors? Any ideas what the most common cause may be?

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Friday, June 28th, 2013 AT 8:45 AM

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Tiny
SEANGRANT00
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Its a random misfire code. It means you could have more than 1 cylinder that isn't firing. This can damage your catalytic converters, and give you horrible gas millage and performance. I don't know why the mechanic said to not worry about it. Conman causes could be an ignition problem, spark plugs, spark plug wires, multiple things that would cause this. How is it running, as far as acceleration/performance?

This guide will help us

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-misfires-or-runs-rough

Sean
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Friday, June 28th, 2013 AT 2:40 PM
Tiny
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I'm sorry-the car runs great and very smooth, acceleration is great as well as overall performance-no hesitation or kick, and starts right up-that's why he said "don't worry about it now, (maybe to save her money) but if any sign of performance problems, running, or hard starting bring it in. I do plan to diagnose the issue soon starting this weekend, it looks as if I have to go over it very thoroughly. I heard injectors are a big problem on this Toyota model.
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Friday, June 28th, 2013 AT 3:28 PM
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If you don't notice any performance issues, then it should be fine to drive until you start to diagnosis the problem. It could be the injectors but it also could be 100 other things. Let me know when you start to diagnosis it and we should be able to figure it out.

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Friday, June 28th, 2013 AT 3:44 PM
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It sounds and feels like it's misfiring on one cylinder at idle speed and up through about 3.5 RPMs. At higher RPMs the problem is undetectable. But the whole car shudders with hesitation during acceleration until higher speeds are reached.

I've changed all of the spark plugs (got fancy new iridium ones), and that didn't help the problem. But I noticed that the ignition coil tubes were covered in oil and the spark plug heads were in oil. So I changed the valve-cover gasket, but that didn't fix the problem. Also, one of the coil tubes is slightly cracked at top part that holds on a rubber gasket.

I tried to isolate the problem, but whenever I disconnected a spark plug wire the engine would just die. So it seems to be an intermittent misfire.

There is no real fuel filter on this car, the whole fuel pump assembly has to be changed, although there is a little strainer that can be replaced. I haven't tried toying with that yet. I don't think it's the fuel pump, but I have no idea.

The air filter is clean. The radiator fluid is good. Transmission is fine. Pieces of plastic are breaking all over the place, and the ceiling foam is falling apart, but otherwise it's been a great car. I can't figure out this problem.

I think that is everything.

Any suggestions?
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:29 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Hello,

This sounds like a low cylinder compression issue lets remove the plugs and follow this guide.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression

this guide can help as well

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-misfires-or-runs-rough

Please run down this guide and report back

Cheers
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:29 AM (Merged)
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Thank you for this post I had the same problem and # 3 cylinder has down to 90 pounds it had a burnt valve cost me $980.00 of a valve job runs great!
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:29 AM (Merged)
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I recently did a lot of work to it, I changed the exhaust catalytic converter and, all new coil packs, spark plus, fuel injectors, valve cover gasket, mass air flow sensor. I got on a freeway and code p0420 came up and then I got on freeway again to come home and when I got off freeway car was running really rough and codes came up p0300 and p0303. I changed the exhaust and catalytic converter because it was defective. I changed the O2 sensors, and changed spark plugs also gasped them too.044. I swapped #3 coil pack with #1 coil and everything was okay. I recently got on freeway again and when I got of the rough idle was back and so was the two codes p0300 and p0303, when I am around town the car is fine, but when I get on freeway and car is at a high rev it does this.
Your help is greatly appreciated thank you very much.
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:29 AM (Merged)
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When misfiring occurs, it is usually caused by plug coils, spark plugs or injectors. You have already replaced all of them but sometimes new components do fail and since the plug coil has been swapped with another cylinder, that should rule it out as the cause.
Try swapping the sparks plugs. If that still fails, then you would need to remove the fuel injectors and swap that too. Check and ensure the fuel is clean and not clogged.

While you are there, have the compression tested as well. Leaking valves can cause misfiring as well but minor leaks cannot be detected via a compression test.
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:29 AM (Merged)
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I took the connection off of every fuel injector and there was a change in engine every time.
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:29 AM (Merged)
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For an engine that running correctly, this is expected. Your problem is intermittent misfiring which would not show when engine is not misfiring.
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:29 AM (Merged)
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I first would like to say this website has been very helpful-I ran the freeze frame data on my scanner and realized the coolant temp did not change-after the car was fully warmed up and upon a complete overnight cold start-which I think indicates a non-functioning coolant temp sensor. I have one on order, however the CEL is on, and could this be a strong possibility that the misfire is caused by this?

Thanks for all your help with diagnosis/answers
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:29 AM (Merged)
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I don't know why you would be looking at freeze frame data for something like that. That is just a frozen point in time and you don't know if the engine was actually hot at that time or not. You need to just look at raw data both before starting the engine and after. Before starting the CTS and the IAT temps should match. Once started the CTS should start rising raster than the IAT.
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:29 AM (Merged)
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My mistake that was from another diagnosis of a different car not related to this question asked, can a coolant sensor cause a CEL to com on and indicate that it is a random misfire?
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:29 AM (Merged)
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A faulty CTS may or may not put a check engine light on. The CTS has a direct effect on fuel mixture so if it was to read too high the result would be too lean a mixrture which would lead to misfires but that a reach. Not real likely at all.
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:29 AM (Merged)
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Thanks
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:29 AM (Merged)
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I was decently low on oil, getting close to dot on bottom but wasn't there yet. Could the low oil cause the misfire or is spark, compression or fuel to blame? I've had zero issues before this. Car's at 160,000 miles. Checked using OBD 2 scanner.
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:31 AM (Merged)
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Hello,

Well it could be any of the latter three, but I would recommend starting with spark, specifically doing a tune up. In the diagrams down below I have included the recommended spark plugs for your vehicle including the proper gap. Change the spark plugs and get back to us with what you find out, please.

this guide should help us

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-misfires-or-runs-rough

Thanks,
Alex
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:31 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Hey Alex, thanks for the response. So, i'm guessing the car being low on oil couldn't have played a factor in the cylinder misfiring. I don't know much about engines I just like to work on my own cars. Is there any way having low oil caused the cylinder to "seize"? Just want to make sure its worth trying sparks, coils and etc. The oil might have been lower then I mentioned because the car was parked on a slope.

Cheers, Kake
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:31 AM (Merged)
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Hello,

If the vehicle was low enough on oil to seize the motor, it would seize the entire motor, not just one cylinder. Ignition problems are around 75% of all individual cylinder misfire problems, so chance are this will fix the problem.

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Alex
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Monday, August 10th, 2020 AT 10:31 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Hey Alex, changed the spark plug. Problem still persists. Check Engine light went off. I ran the car for a few seconds. Car vibrates and exhaust sounds like it cuts off like before. The shop I got plugs from didn't have coils otherwise I would have done those too. Should I try coils or fuel injector cleaner next.

Appreciate the help.
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