Engine has a lack of power?

Tiny
MATHIASO
  • MECHANIC
  • 1,209 POSTS
Hello_

The random misfire DTC indicates multiple cylinders are
misfiring or the PCM cannot identify which cylinder is misfiring.
The underlying cause is often a lean fuel condition, which may be due to a vacuum leak
in the intake manifold or unmetered air getting past the airflow sensor.
Check also for a malfunctioning Camshaft position sensor (CMP) or stuck open EGR valve.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 9th, 2020 AT 3:25 PM (Merged)
Tiny
96GMCSIERRA
  • MEMBER
  • 4 POSTS
  • 1996 GMC SIERRA
  • 140,000 MILES
Hi guys, first time I've ever tried coming online to ask someone because I'm completely stumped.

Disclaimer: I am not a mechanic, have just figured it out by ear my whole life.

My vehicle: 1996 GMC Sierra 1500 2WD Auto w/ 5.7l Vortec

Beginning: Just bought the truck for next to nothing with bad engine. Replaced engine 1 month ago with identical engine with "140,000" miles on it. (Who really knows right. It looked and ran great for last month.) My buddy and I split the work and turned it into a few hour process. In doing so, we somehow managed to completely miss plugging the map sensor back in this whole month.

Middle: The truck ran strong, minus a very quick and sudden complete stall, if you stepped your foot in the gas. The stall actually felt like the truck just "shut off" for about 1 second, then vroom. The truck also smelled like it was burning lean, but I never had time to tinker with it.

About 2 weeks ago, I started to notice that the truck would run kind of rough and vibrate/shake any time you were "coasting" down the road and barely had to touch the gas petal to remain at 30 mph/45 mph/55 mph for city speed limits. It also felt like the truck would shift too early and sort of bog down.

Today, I drove the truck for about 10 miles and on the way home, I noticed that the truck would do that "pipe pop" like a manual transmission when you rack up the rpm's and let off the gas. (I have dual exhaust from manifolds to 2 flow master mufflers and echo tips, no cats). Anyway, normally, if I was going 45mph in 3rd gear, and let off the gas, it would seem like it went into "neutral" and quietened down. Today, it was doing the "pop pop pop BOOM pop pop" sound. It actually backfired a few times. When I noticed it do it by itself, I got curious and actually put it into 2nd manually, to see if it would do it again. It did. I NEVER abused it and the RPM's never went over 2.5k in the process. I think it red lines at 6 or 7.

After I got it home, didn't think anything about it, because it was cold this morning, cold start, left quick.

Ending: Later, I took the truck again, but made it about 8 miles before I just lost all power. I was on the interstate, attempting to reach 75 mph and keep up with traffic when it just progressively lost power. By the time 5 more miles were up, I was on the interstate going 50 mph with my foot almost in the floor. So I let off the gas and putted to the nearest exit, where I parked it at an autozone.

I had autozone do a diagnostic scan, and it said MAF and MAP sensor. (This is how I found out the map sensor had never been plugged back in)

The truck would start, idle poorly, then eventually adjust up to being able to idle fairly. But the moment I put it in gear, it just bogs down and loses all power.

I have another vehicle (98 z71 w/ same motor) so I changed the MAP sensor, the MAF sensor, the idle air sensor and throttle position sensor with the other vehicle and no difference other than idling more poorly with different configurations of swapping parts. (I did not do battery reset between sensor testing). I tried changing the entire breather and no difference. I had recently replaced the fuel sending unit and the guys that did my exhaust removed my cats and wouldn't let me keep them.

I have not tried crank sensor, cam position sensor or anti-knock sensor.

Tonight after dark, I went back out to the truck to tinker and noticed that I got a neat little display show from 4 plug wires and my coil wire going to distributor. The second and last plugs (from front) on both sides, were jumping. Not a strong jump, just enough to show a fuzzy blue light show. The connection at the coil was doing the same thing. So #4, #8, #3, #7 and coil. Everything was closed, so I couldn't change plugs and wires yet.

So right now, my truck idles at almost correct state, but vibrates. The moment I attempt to put it in gear, it bogs way down and tries to die, and shakes horribly. If I try to drive, I have no power. With petal 1/2 way down, I would hit 30 mph in about 4 minutes.

Could it just be the plugs/wires? Is it something more simple? Until I noticed the sparks, I was going to try fuel filter next. Or thinking I got water-gas.

Any ideas on what to try next?
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 9th, 2020 AT 3:29 PM (Merged)
Tiny
CADIEMAN
  • MECHANIC
  • 3,544 POSTS
It sounds like you have two problems the first is the popping from the exhaust this would be your air deverter valve stuck open or the diaphragm is blown. This is a common problem I would replace both. Here is a guide to show you how:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-backfires-while-running

I would also replace the plugs and wires with AC Delco Parts.

Please let us know what happens.

Cheers,
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 9th, 2020 AT 3:29 PM (Merged)
Tiny
96GMCSIERRA
  • MEMBER
  • 4 POSTS
To clarify, the popping sound is coming from the exhaust, just to demonstrate the similar behavior to a manual transmission vehicle's sound when you leave it in 1st gear, hit 4,000 RPM's and then let off the gas. How it slowly goes back down RPM's and goes "pop pop pop pop" as it's doing it.

There is no popping sound coming from the intake/engine at all, except the typical clinks of an engine that's just about ready to die. (The sound all movies make when a car breaks down while still rolling) and that only happens when I put it in gear.

Replaced spark plugs/wires and tested each for adequate spark and found something strange. We were able to remove all spark plug wires from the passenger side and there was no difference in how the engine ran. So #2-#8 cylinders are not working. Where would I even begin?
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 9th, 2020 AT 3:29 PM (Merged)
Tiny
CADIEMAN
  • MECHANIC
  • 3,544 POSTS
It sounds like you have lost the spider injector under the upper intake manifold. Here it is on Amazon for $180.00:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01NAAGMV2/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=2carprcom-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B01NAAGMV2&linkId=3ab81783c478d71409cc7c3e11248acf

Here is how you change it (below)

Please let us know

Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 9th, 2020 AT 3:29 PM (Merged)
Tiny
96GMCSIERRA
  • MEMBER
  • 4 POSTS
Nice you are right on the money, I did both deverters and changed the injector and it worked great thanks for your help. This site rocks!
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 9th, 2020 AT 3:29 PM (Merged)
Tiny
KEN L
  • MASTER CERTIFIED MECHANIC
  • 47,714 POSTS
Nice work, we are here to help, please use 2CarPros anytime.

Cheers, Ken
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 9th, 2020 AT 3:29 PM (Merged)
Tiny
HEADACHE AGAIN
  • MEMBER
  • 1 POST
  • 1990 GMC SIERRA
Engine Mechanical problem
1990 GMC Sierra V8 Four Wheel Drive Manual

What would be the reason that an engine idles great and then falls on its face when you accelerate?
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 9th, 2020 AT 3:29 PM (Merged)
Tiny
HMAC300
  • MECHANIC
  • 48,601 POSTS
Alot of things cause this, a blown gasket between the TBI unit and manifold, low fuel pressure, paritally plugged fuel filter plus many other things. Run a scan on the engine for codes and change teh fuel filter. See if that helps.
Was this
answer
helpful?
Yes
No
Wednesday, December 9th, 2020 AT 3:29 PM (Merged)

Please login or register to post a reply.

Sponsored links