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Ok, thank you very much. Appreciate you helping me. I will take off head inspect all lifters replace what is needed.
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Tuesday, July 7th, 2015 AT 9:47 PM
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Hello again, I was searching around the Internet and found a forum to clean lifters and read that he had a collapsed lifter because spring broke, now if I have same situation could I just get a spring from like Home Depot or any hardware store or does it have to be a autoparts part?
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Wednesday, July 15th, 2015 AT 2:52 PM
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Don't even waste your time trying to repair such an inexpensive assembly. Put a new lifter in. You won't even find the spring listed at the Ford dealer's parts department. A hardware store spring won't hold up to the constant pounding or the heat, and the originals are usually carefully-calibrated for the application.

Even if you could repair a lifter, how are you going to warranty that repair? If that lifter fails again, or if anything else even remotely related breaks in the future, all the owner is going to know is they are inconvenienced at having to come back again. Every mechanic has horror stories of cases where they thought they were doing their customer a huge favor by repairing rather than replacing to save them money, then they got bit in the butt later when the repair went sour. In every case the customer forgets our good intentions and remembers what they perceive as incompetence. That's why I can replace the nine-dollar brush assembly in my alternator, but I would never do it for my customer. I can replace a pair of three-dollar contacts in my starter solenoid, but I'm going to sell a rebuilt starter with a warranty to my customer. Customers get angry with us anyway, no matter how conscientious we are or how much money we try to save them. Don't give them more chances to be unhappy by trying to cut corners, especially when the part is so inexpensive.
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Thursday, July 16th, 2015 AT 9:09 PM
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Ok, I will get new ones, I recall you saying rocker arm and push rod contact will cause a ticking noise and I am wondering if these rocker arms are any good, took them out of my explorer they are the same for both sides(sets)
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Thursday, July 16th, 2015 AT 10:11 PM
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The lifters are solid like they won't even budge to be pressed down so maybe it isn't a lifter problem maybe the rocker arms showed above and maybe I have an exhaust manifold leak? Here's a video of what it sounded like before I took everything off. http://youtu.be/oU0cgj8XkQ4
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Friday, July 17th, 2015 AT 2:09 PM
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It must be the rocker arm because one lets a pushrod go all the way through blocking an oil hole while the rest do not before the oil hole, so I guess the one that that lets pushrod go further must be causing the loud ticking?
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Friday, July 17th, 2015 AT 8:04 PM
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You're in an area that I'm not an expert in. I've heard noisy push rods years ago but I ever repaired an engine for that. If I had to guess, I'd look closer at the right rocker arm in your photo. I see what looks like hairline scratches on it where it contacts the push rod. That surface should be smooth and shiny. If in doubt, I'd mark the locations of the parts, then take them to an engine machine shop to get a professional evaluation.
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Saturday, July 18th, 2015 AT 10:32 PM
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Ok, but since there is more of a deep indentation in one rocker arm than the rest wouldn't it create a tick since its metal being pounded together at a fast rate? The left pushrod of cylinder two rocker arms goes furthest than the rest. So since the lifters are solid as a Rock and won't depress as if one is collapsed I believe we can cross those out and leave it to the rocker arm assembly? Do you agree? I'm for some reason feeling positive about it just need extra advise. Not sure if a machine shop will help me in this because they would probably call for some type of large payment to just tell me the same thing.
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Saturday, July 18th, 2015 AT 10:50 PM
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And if you agree if I replace them with a new set do I have to change pushrods? Or maybe get some rocker arms at a junkyard.
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Saturday, July 18th, 2015 AT 11:06 PM
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One last thing to add is that all pushrods are the same length no bending etc
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Saturday, July 18th, 2015 AT 11:07 PM
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Normally when you replace a part that develops a wear pattern with a mating part, you must replace both of them, otherwise the worn part will just transfer that pattern to the new part, and you'll have the same problem. In this case I would just replace a rocker arm and its push rod. You might want to replace all of them to insure if this is the cause of the noise, you won't be overlooking anything.
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Saturday, July 18th, 2015 AT 11:45 PM
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Ok I understand. Now are these lifters suppose to be rock solid?
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Sunday, July 19th, 2015 AT 9:38 PM
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Normally lifters should remain solid under hand pressure. Some may bleed down from the pressure of an open valve's spring when the engine is not running, but they will pump back up very quickly when the engine is started.
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Monday, July 20th, 2015 AT 9:03 PM
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Ok so I'm looking for gasket online and I'm trying to find a set but the thing is that most sets only have the gasket in image 2 but my car has the gasket shown in image 1. Am I able to switch gasket style?
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Wednesday, July 22nd, 2015 AT 7:17 PM
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Nope. The holes won't line up with the runners in the intake manifold. You have gaskets for two different variations. The dealer's parts department is the best place to get answers to that. You might also try the Rock Auto web site. Look up that gasket for your year and engine, and they'll have a list of gaskets from a bunch of different suppliers, and they'll include the "with this" and "with that" options.
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Thursday, July 23rd, 2015 AT 11:37 PM
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Hello, well I finished everything with new rocker/pushrods and lubed everything that was needed, with new gaskets. Well when starting and warming up. It was vibrating a lot and sort of jumping. With some smoke didn't smell like burning oil. What is going on? There was a little rattling noise from like the bottom. I turned car off after like 4-5 min. I made sure all parts were torqued to the books specification. If you need video of it I will post a link to video if you need me to create one. Also the loud ticking is gone
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Wednesday, July 29th, 2015 AT 8:22 PM
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I can only guess about the smoke. It's common for oil to run down the side of the engine when it is disassembled, then it vaporizes and burns off when the engine gets hot. Engine assembly lube does that too, but when it's inside the engine, you don't see it because the fumes get drawn out to be burned.
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Tuesday, August 4th, 2015 AT 12:51 AM
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Yea the smoking stopped but still have vibrations low rpm and a rattling noise, thought it would be a vacuum leak on lower intake so I retourqed by the book again with the last torque a little higher but no difference. So I looked on the web and a forum site said that under torqued or over torqued rockers can cause pushrods to go deeper into pushrods causing low rpm or something like that. My Haynes book said 46-52 ft lbs but an expert on here gave me a torque of 22-25 ft lbs then turn an additional 90*, do you think this will solve the problem? Also is there something I'm suppose to do before I start engine like turn engine by hand or something?
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Wednesday, August 5th, 2015 AT 6:19 PM
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Depends on what you're torquing. The main thing to worry about is when the rocker arms are adjustable. There's a procedure for setting those.
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Wednesday, August 5th, 2015 AT 9:58 PM
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Torquing the rocker arm shaft assembly, don't believe they are adjustable. I probably followed the wrong procedure I guess but it did say 46 to 52 ft lbs for my engine year. Vin X engine. I read that over tighten the rockerarms will cause valves to not close and therefore engine will not run properly. Do you agree with that? I will follow the other torque specifications of the other years then. Thank you.
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Wednesday, August 5th, 2015 AT 10:13 PM

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