Rear wiper won't shut off

Tiny
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My rear wiper runs continually. Our liftgate has some body damage recently so I picked up a used voyager liftgate and guess what? The wiper still runs continually. What do I need to check? Also the dash lights for the wiper do not turn on. Could be related
Sunday, February 27th, 2011 AT 6:31 PM

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Tiny
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There are two insanely unreliable computers involved in running the rear wiper. The HVAC controller with the control switches sends a coded signal to the Body Computer which has a very high failure rate. Start by replacing the Body Computer as a test. You might want to leave that to a professional as it is very difficult to remove. It's plugged in and bolted in front of the brake pedal.
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Sunday, February 27th, 2011 AT 6:38 PM
Tiny
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One more bit of info. The problem was intermittent at first. It would turn on by itself for periods of time. Longer and longer over weeks. Then it just stays on.
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Sunday, February 27th, 2011 AT 7:11 PM
Tiny
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Sorry gave you some bad initial info. The button lights do turn on and off but it has no effect on the wiper. Still does not shut off.
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Sunday, February 27th, 2011 AT 9:19 PM
Tiny
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I'd still suspect the Body Computer based it its history of causing problems with the front wipers. I'm sure the rear wiper circuitry will be the same.
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Sunday, February 27th, 2011 AT 9:26 PM
Tiny
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Ok. Just found a good used one on ebay for $59. Will give it a try.
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Sunday, February 27th, 2011 AT 10:58 PM
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Any advice on making the replacement easier?
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Sunday, February 27th, 2011 AT 10:59 PM
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There's three 5/16" or 10 mm bolts holding it in. I can't remember if there is also some type of latch, but the module will pull straight down. The hardest part is reaching up there to find those bolts. Use the replacement module to look at the locations of the bolt holes.
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Monday, February 28th, 2011 AT 7:07 AM
Tiny
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OK got a used BCM, put it in and the van starts and stalls. I saw where I might have to do a relearn or reprogram?
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Sunday, March 13th, 2011 AT 9:21 PM
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Does your van have the factory-installed anti-theft system? I don't recall if this applies to the minivans but the Intrepids can use any Body Computer or Engine Computer from any car if it has factory anti-theft. If it does not have that system, you MUST install a used Engine or Body Computer from a car that also did not have anti-theft. If either computer has that upgrade programming it will teach it to the other one when the ignition switch is turned on. At that point both computers will require a "disarm" signal before they will work. That signal is never coming if the car doesn't have the anti-theft system. That upgrade programming can not be undone so both computers will have to be replaced at the same time before the engine will start. Again, I don't know if that applies to the minivans but it's a big source of frustration for Intrepid and older Neon owners. If you DO have the factory anti-theft system you might just have to relearn "minimum throttle" before the Engine Computer will know when it must be in control of idle speed. Before that is relearned you will not get the nice idle flare-up to 1500 rpm for a couple of seconds when you start the engine and it might only stay running if you hold the gas pedal down 1/4". That relearn procedure should only be necessary if the battery was disconnected or run dead. To relearn minimum throttle, drive at highway speed with the engine warmed up, then coast for at least seven seconds without touching the brake or gas pedals. The only minivan Body Computers I ever replaced were at the dealership with new computers. I didn't have to be concerned with the anti-theft systems because the module would work right out of the box on vans without it, and if it needed to be programmed for anti-theft, that happened automatically from the Engine Computer when the ignition switch was turned on for the first time.
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Sunday, March 13th, 2011 AT 9:49 PM
Tiny
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I just checked with the one I bought it from. My van has anti-theft and this one came from a van without it. So, I am sending it back for another one.

Thanks, will update when I get the right one.
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Sunday, March 13th, 2011 AT 10:11 PM
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Nope, you have that backwards. No need to send it back. Since your van has anti-theft, that module will work just fine. Because you already installed it in your van, it has self-programmed itself to only work with vans with anti-theft. It learned that programming from your Engine Computer when you turned on the ignition switch. It won't work in any vans without anti-theft now.
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Sunday, March 13th, 2011 AT 10:25 PM
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Then why is it stalling? It starts then stalls. In fact after doing that a few times then it would not even turn over. Like the starter had been disconnected.
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Sunday, March 13th, 2011 AT 10:37 PM
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BTW. I reinstalled the old BCM and it runs fine.
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Sunday, March 13th, 2011 AT 10:38 PM
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Oops. I have to modify my story. I only have a '97 service manual but I'm pretty sure the system is the same for '98. According to the manual, you must open the hood, then unlock the lift gate with the key. That will initialize the anti-theft system in the Body Computer and should allow the engine to start. Only the lights will flash. There won't be any horn when the anti-theft system is triggered until the engine has been started 20 times. I like this procedure better because it means you don't have to worry about where the used computer came from. Hope that works.
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Sunday, March 13th, 2011 AT 10:38 PM
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Lol. How ironic. I just replaced the liftgate and do not have a key for it.
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Sunday, March 13th, 2011 AT 10:54 PM
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I assume it's going to have to have the switch inside. If it doesn't, there might be a pair of wires in the harness that can be connected to a switch that can be operated manually.
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Sunday, March 13th, 2011 AT 11:50 PM
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Will do thanks
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Sunday, March 13th, 2011 AT 11:51 PM
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Uh oh. The new liftgate does not have the wire and switch going to the lock. I assume that this is part of the security system. Is there a set of connectors in the liftgate harness plug I can short to fool it?

Is the switch essential for the security system to function or does it only prevent detection of liftgate tampering?
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Monday, March 21st, 2011 AT 8:09 PM
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Do I understand that you can turn the lift gate lock cylinder both ways for "unlock" and "lock"? On my old stuff I can only turn it clockwise to pop the latch. The wire you want is a 20 gauge white / red in the left connector. It needs to be momentarily grounded, but it's not that simple. There are two resistors inside the missing switch. The Body Computer sends a voltage out on that wire, and that voltage will change depending on the value of the resistor that is switched into the circuit. Typically they will send 12 volts out there, but it could also be 5 volts. It's irrelevant to the story but if we use 12 volts for the description, there are four possible conditions. Full 12 volts will be seen on that wire most of the time. If you ground it, there will be 0 volts. When you turn the switch to "lock", one resistor will be switched in and there may be 8 volts on that wire. In the "unlock" position a different resistor is switched in and there might be 4 volts seen on that wire. The 4 and 8 volts are interpreted by the Body Computer as the "arm" and "disarm" signals. There's a 99 percent chance grounding that wire would not cause any damage but most likely that will not initialize the anti-theft system either. You need to ground one end of a resistor, then momentarily touch that white / red wire to the other end of that resistor. The problem is they don't say what the values of the resistors are. There is a separate diagnostic manual for the anti-theft system that would have those values listed in the switch testing section. Is there any chance you still have the old lift gate? If you do you could read the resistor values with an ohm meter, then you would know the value of the resistor to use. From my limited experience with cruise control circuits, 560 ohms, 2200 ohms, (2.2k), 10,000 ohms, (10k), and 18k are typical values. That's how the computer can tell the difference between four different switches when only one wire goes to the switch assembly.
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Monday, March 21st, 2011 AT 9:27 PM
Tiny
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Ok. I do have the rotary switch on my old door. Can I wire it in even if it is just temporary?
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Tuesday, March 22nd, 2011 AT 12:19 AM

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