Coolant Leak from a Mystery Hose Connector

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This was my experience with students who owned GM fwd cars over and over, hence my disdain. They thought $800.00 repair bills every six months was normal.

But remember, people run into the same things with Fords, Chryslers, Mazdas, Hondas, etc. GM just has much less regard for their owners once the car is sold. Customer-friendly business practices are what I value in any company. Beyond that, as I told my students, "you are welcome to like any brand of car you choose; just don't tell me yours is better than mine, ... Unless you can explain WHY yours is better".
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Monday, June 20th, 2011 AT 5:42 PM
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Now. Don't laugh at me, but, besides my GTO. My dream car since I was a kid. The best vehicle I have ever owned is my 1993 Saturn. It's too bad that they are now defunct, but, after the last 10 years or so of owning this thing. No serious problems. I have had to replace the radiator twice, the serpentine belt and the belt tensioner (sp?) Twice and I think we are on our 3rd set of new tires. Other than the fact that the car has been stolen 4 times and the interior panels have been broken and ripped apart trying to take every speaker and wire they could find. It has been solid as a rock. Gas mileage is still about the same as it was 10 years ago, no wobbles, squeaks, groans, knocks, pings or whines. I would buy another, if they were still around.
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Monday, June 20th, 2011 AT 10:02 PM
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Radiators and tires are nothing out of the ordinary for any car. The secret is it's a '93 model with very few computers. My daily driver is an '88 Grand Caravan that is rusting away but I trust it more for 3,200 mile cross country trips than my newer cars.

There's no denying cars today are cleaner, emissions-wise, but my 4400 pound '80 Volare with chromed steel bumpers gets 28.3 mpg in the summer. A plastic Neon with styrofoam bumpers is supposed to get only 33 mpg at half the weight and one tenth the survivability in a crash. A '69 Buick Wildcat was so big you needed binoculars to see the rear tail lights, but it easily got 22 mpg. If our newer cars are so clean and efficient, why do they use so much more fuel?

And, ... I would never pick on your Goat. There are a lot of things on that car the current crop of designers could take some lessons from. The more new cars I see and the more classes I attend, the more I appreciate my old stuff. Your GTO will never refuse to start due to the factory anti-theft system. The radio will play tunes for you without needing a secret code. You can be sure your windows will roll up and down with no involvement of a computer and no cracked plastic pulleys or frayed toy cables. Your wipers will run whenever you want them to by turning on a switch. No computer controls for that either. YOU get to decide how hot the air is coming out of the heater by sliding a **** left or right. My goodness, what common sense. And people laugh when I don't prefer to complicate my life with over-complicated gadgetry. Computer-controlled dome lights that slowly fade out; computer-controlled transmissions that go to limp mode and have a nervous breakdown if there's the slightest speck of dirt in them; computer-controlled heaters, ... And good grief, duel zone heaters so she can be two degrees warmer then him; and now motorized sliding doors and lift gates because we have found even more ways to be lazy; none of those toys and gimmicks mean a thing if you can't trust your car to get you back home.

Keep your *****ic clunker laws. I'll keep my old cars until they build something more reliable than what I have. Why would I want anything less reliable and more frustrating?
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Monday, June 20th, 2011 AT 10:50 PM
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I hear these arguments all the time from people who just forget how primitive those cars were and how spoiled we have all gotten with technology. Every time someone tells me that they wish their car didn't have a computer, I ask them, On a January day when it's 10 degrees outside, can you stand outside the car and reach through the window to turn the key and have it start right up and stay running? Hell no, you couldn't. You're lucky if you got it started after jumping it with 3 cars, heating it with a blow dryer and sitting in the car freezing your butt off trying to keep it running long enough to stay running on it's own. And as for the security system, your old GTO could be stolen in less than 10 seconds by any kid in the neighborhood. People love the benefits of computers but they don't like to repair them.
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Monday, June 20th, 2011 AT 11:06 PM
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Ain't it nice to start your car 50ft away while you sip on a brazillian coffee and smoke Fidle Castro best cigar-I do

Or you can be in your bedroom at nite and the security system goes off-telling you exactly where the intruder located at and automatically call the cops -I love technology make things simple for me-Yeah! Back in the old plastic bag that GTO will move in 10secs by the time you get to the phone-
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Tuesday, June 21st, 2011 AT 12:10 AM
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Yeah, the party line phone with the rotary dialer and the cop that puts you on hold.
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Tuesday, June 21st, 2011 AT 12:15 AM
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Lmao, I'm out of here-this will go infintely-Bye you all and have a nice one-
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Tuesday, June 21st, 2011 AT 12:21 AM
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Technology is fine but we're outpacing our need for it. I like Engine Computers and what they do, but I also have power windows, power locks, power seats, rear window defogger, front and rear delayed wipers, heater and AC controls, cruise control, numerous interior lights, rear heater and AC, and a bullet-proof automatic transmission. Not one of those things needs a computer to do its job. Nothing needs to be reprogrammed when I disconnect the battery and I never have to visit the dealer for special equipment or tools.

I wouldn't even have a complaint against all of the unnecessary computers in any car, ... If they would do the same job reliably year in and year out as my common sense switches have done. Besides the fact that buying and reprogramming computers is expensive, my biggest worry is what will people do when replacement computers are no longer available, junk the car? It's fine if you like buying a new model every few years but a lot of struggling single parents need basic reliable transportation to make a life for them and their kids. Many of them drive 15 year old cars because they can't afford car payments. In spite of all the fist pumping and speeches by politicians who all claim to be against poverty, thanks to those few who make all the laws and rules, we still have poverty, and 15 years from now there are still going to be people living in poverty who need basic transportation. I don't care how complicated a manufacturer wants to make their cars as long as I don't have to own them. But how about giving us a choice? I want simple, dependable, low maintenance, and low cost repairs. If I want to waste my money on transportation, I'll call a taxi.

I don't care to go back to the days of carburetors, (even though my Volare sat outside for three weeks during Christmas break, then fired right up in 30 degrees below zero weather), and I prefer electronic ignition over breaker points, (for those of you who even remember what those are), but if you guys like the toys and gimmicks, and the convenience gadgets, more power to you. There's all kinds of vehicles to pick from to fulfill your wishes. Where are my choices?

My opinion matters only to me but many others feel the same way. If the new technology or innovation doesn't substantially improve my life, I prefer to leave it to the imagination and James Bond movies.

Mr Wrenchtech, buddy, SIR; you're right, those old cars were primitive, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. Give me an Engine Computer and fuel injection any day, but don't make me pay someone to reprogram it if I simply replace the battery. I'll gladly take an ABS Computer and an Air Bag Computer, but let me buy the needed diagnostic equipment from any aftermarket supplier. Don't lock up that information so I'm restricted to going to the dealer for the diagnosis. I'll even accept a car with a factory anti-theft system, but please make it let me drive my own car.

With all our technology and advancements, cars are still breaking down on the side of the road just like they did 30 years ago. The difference is today there's no point in hauling around a small tool set in the trunk. The only solution is a cell phone and a tow truck. Well, in my case comfortable walking shoes and a pay phone!

Carry on friends.
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Tuesday, June 21st, 2011 AT 1:27 AM
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I will tell you all what I am dearly enjoying the most from every comment in this thread. And not caring that it has now gone WAAAAAAY left field of the original theme. It is simply that you ALL have very intelligent, well thought out points of views that not only make you think things through from every angle, but, are extremely enjoyable to read. I have found myself checking my email several times a day HOPING that there was a new reply! Lol!
I am with Caradiodoc, for the most part, here. Technology has it's place in this world, of that there is no denying. Without it, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all. I am of a firm belief that we do NOT need it in EVERY aspect of our daily routines.

My GTO can be stolen. There is no doubt. But I tell you this. I do not care WHAT car you drive. Or can name, for that matter, that can't be stolen. Period. My anti-theft/theft deterrent device? My garage and 2 110 pound full blooded Blue-Nose Pit Bulls that can walk freely between the backyard, to the side of the house, and into the garage at their leisure. No. I don't take them with me every time I take it out. But I walk my dogs more often than I drive my '65.
It's not about being afraid it might be stolen. I am more afraid of some ***hole hitting it, or some hater keying it, or some young kid in his brand-new rice rocket parking too close and dinging my doors! Do you have any idea how nearly impossible it is to replace ANYthing on a '65 GTO convertible? Break a window? You've got to be freakin KIDDING me! I may as well learn how to make glass from sand and try to mold one myself! If you can find just the body and frame in one piece, no seats, motor, mirrors or glass, rusting away in some old farmers back 40, you can expect to pay $25k.

By the way. I live in California. 10 degrees? I get a cold if the temperature drops below 60!

A can of ether, a set of jumper cables and a small canvas bag with a decent set of ASE wrenches, sockets, pliers, electrical tape. And if you REALLY want to stereotype. Some baling wire and duct tape! These are the only tools that should be required to fix ANY roadside emergency that you might possibly encounter. All company here excluded, I HATE the fact that I have to Google for hours to try and fix a simple problem on today's cars. Chilton's used to put out a fine repair manual, 20 years ago. Now Haynes and Chilton are just writing down gibberish in crayon and fighting over who's drawings look coolest in the cafeteria in front of all their buddies. They never give you info on how to fix a 'problem', but, the close up pictures of the varying shades of white to tan to brown to black on the end of your spark plug is always in full color and according to them, is supposed to tell you exactly what is wrong with your car and in which cylinder. No actual help on how to FIX the problem that is making my AC Delco's that dirty rust color!

It has gotten to the point that you cannot even give your car a tune up. I haven't used my timing light on anything BUT my GTO in, what? 20 years? Adjust the idle, you say? HAH! Computer controlled, oxygen regulated, temperature sensitive and altitude handicapped.

I will tell you exactly why cars like my Goat have gone extinct.
First. The majority of American men under 30 do NOT know how to do the simplest of mechanical work.
Second. Cars today were not DESIGNED, nor are they EXPECTED to last 20 years like they were in the 60's and 70's. And in some cases. The early 80's.
Last. Almost all cars on the American highway are NOT built here in America. They are produced over seas in vast plants by people who are just happy that they have ANY type of job. Cheap labor, no federal guidelines. No tax laws. No pollution mandates. And really far away from any prying eyes.

Sure. Sony makes a damn fine stereo. Hitachi makes a good microwave and clock radio. Mitsubishi makes. Well almost everything. But these are the same guys who are innovating our technological comforts in the same car you drive your kids to school in.

So. Yeah. I would rather have a 1979 AMC Pacer, a 1971 Gran Torino, a 1973 GMC Sprint (El Camino in all but name) anything. Except a Pinto. GOD what a mistake THAT was. Over any of the newer cars today. I want a car that I can WORK on myself without having to spend $1000.00 to have something minor fixed by a Wyotech graduate! I don't care HOW many 'Good Hands' certificates he has on the garage wall!

Luckily. There are at least sites like this that help keep the dream alive! Long Live GoJo and a reason for the wife to yell."Take those filthy boots off and don't you DARE sit on my COUCH in those clothes!"
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Tuesday, June 21st, 2011 AT 10:19 AM
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Hahaha. Doc, I think you found your long lost brother.

OH no, that couldn't be. He doesn't drive a Chrysler. LOL
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Tuesday, June 21st, 2011 AT 10:42 AM
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Yup, I gots me a brother! Please come get me out of Wisconsin.
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Tuesday, June 21st, 2011 AT 8:58 PM
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That's vaguely easterly of me, right? Somewhere that has class 5 hurricane winds in the winter and smells like cheese? I been there. Once. Almost killed me. I was hauling a 43' trailer full of empty grated cheese containers in late December. The sleet was whipping across my windshield horizontally at about 75 miles per hour. Nearly pushed my trailer over like it had done to so many other drivers on the road that evening.
On a positive note, it taught me how to drive with my trailer on 4 wheels instead of the normal eight.

I will have to send you a plane ticket.I am NOT driving out there again. Lol!
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Tuesday, June 21st, 2011 AT 9:21 PM
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All u need to do is remove the hoses from the core and put 2 old spark plugs in the hoses to block it off untill repair.
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Tuesday, June 21st, 2011 AT 9:29 PM
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You can put a heater core in this car faster than you can plug off hoses and the spark plug idea is a bad one.
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Tuesday, June 21st, 2011 AT 9:36 PM
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I got it all fixed, guys. New core is installed, no leaks, temperature is holding at normal. Well. Normal for the weather we are having here. It was 105 degrees yesterday. It is 11:00 AM now and it is already 98 degrees. Gonna be another hot one.
WHen the heater core was replaced 5 months ago (found out from Autozone) the mechanic tried to replace the hose with a straight piece of hose and wrapped it in a heli-coil looking spring apparatus to make it into a 1 foot 360 degree angled return hose. I guess you can figure out what happened then. Major kink in the hose. I went to O'Reilly Auto Parts (formerly Kragen) and they had no listing for the actual hose. But get this. They let me walk into the back of their store where all the hoses were hanging in their supply area and try to find a replacement myself. That was damned nice of them. I found a suitable replacement from the myriad of hoses hanging from floor to ceiling and made the car work.
I wish every auto parts place would do that. It would save some time and headaches.
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Wednesday, June 22nd, 2011 AT 6:20 PM
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All right. One in a row! Happy to hear he can buzz off, ... I mean SAIL off into the sunset again.
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Wednesday, June 22nd, 2011 AT 6:42 PM
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Jeez. Thanks alot Doc. Buzzing off now.
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Thursday, June 23rd, 2011 AT 12:31 AM

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