Engine will not crank - no starter operation?

Tiny
CARYN HORTON
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GT model. My car starts and runs fine on initial start of the day. I can drive it however far turn it off and it will start again. Now after that once it is turned off it can take as long as two hours to start again and then it runs fine until turned off. This is the scenario everyday for weeks now.

Battery, alternator, coil pack, relays, fuses, crankshaft position senor, new spark plugs, theft system reset etc. Car itself does not overheat.

When I turn the key to start it lights on dashboard, headlights flash on. All accessories etc, work fine. No sound at all when trying to start.
Tuesday, August 21st, 2018 AT 11:06 PM

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Tiny
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Good morning.

The first thing I would do is to check for power to the starter motor when the car will not start. The small tickle wire on the solenoid needs power in the start position. If it has power, the starter is bad. If it does not then it could be a wiring issue, ignition switch or neutral safety switch.

These guides can help us fix it

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-load-test

Please run down these guides and report back.

Roy
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Wednesday, August 22nd, 2018 AT 4:15 AM
Tiny
CARYN HORTON
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Then why will it start after sitting for an hour or two? Starter was replaced and problem continues.
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Wednesday, August 22nd, 2018 AT 4:44 AM
Tiny
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It could be a connection that is affected by heat.

It needs to be checked by someone familiar with electrical controls.

Roy
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Wednesday, August 22nd, 2018 AT 4:46 AM
Tiny
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I went over the guide (thank you) it was the gear range sensor I got a new one and the car is fixed! :)
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Thursday, August 30th, 2018 AT 12:07 PM
Tiny
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Use 2CarPros anytime, we are here to help. Please tell a friend.

Here is the starter wiring for anyone that needs it.

Roy
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Thursday, August 30th, 2018 AT 12:22 PM
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Six cylinder front wheel drive automatic. Strange, drove car home from work, got up the next morning and it would not crank. All lights, radio, interior lights, power locks, doors all worked. When turned the key to start, nothing. No clicking, just nothing. Moved shifter back and forth to be sure it was is park. Checked all security/ignition fuses and all are okay. Tried putting in neutral to start, still nothing, no clicking. Battery is good. Went to try to start it the next day, and it started! What would be causing this issue?
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 8:43 AM (Merged)
Tiny
RASMATAZ
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It sounds like the starter has gone bad, but to be sure lets by checking the trigger wire with a test light when the car will not crank over. Here is a guide to help you:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-a-starter-motor

Here are diagrams to show you what it will be like for your car.

Check out the diagrams (below). Please let us know what happens.

Cheers
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 8:43 AM (Merged)
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Thank you for this post it solved my problem.
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 8:43 AM (Merged)
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Car will not crank after it gets hot. Once it cools down it will crank up. Frustated
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 8:43 AM (Merged)
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FREEMBA
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* Does your temperature gauge tell you that the engine is overheating?
* Are there any visual signs that the engine is overheating?
* How often do you have to add coolant?

If the engine is overheating it would behave this way. Let me know the answers to these questions and then we can go a bit further in the diagnostic process.
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 8:43 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Sorry, I did not make my self clear. The car is not overheating up. What I meant to say about getting was hot was the starter. I have checked the battery, alternator, starter they checked out good. I did replace the ground wire to the battery because it was corroded. I also replaced the ignition switch thinking that would fix my problem, but it still doing the same thing.
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 8:43 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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If you replaced the negative battery cable and are sure that the connections are clean and tight, perform a voltage drop test on the positive battery cable.

To do this you will need a Digital Volt meter. Set the voltmeter on the 2 volt scale.
Connect the positive (+) voltmeter lead to the positive battery cable (at the battery), be sure it makes a good connection.
Connect the negative (-) voltmeter lead to the positive battery terminal stud on the starter, be sure it makes a good connection.
Have an assistant to crank the engine over. Record the reading on the voltmeter, while the engine is cranking.
There should be a reading of 0.2 volts or less.

To check the negative side of the starting system, connect the positive(+) voltmeter lead to the negative battery cable (at the battery), be sure it makes a good connection.
Connect the negative(-) voltmeter lead to a clean spot on the case of the starter.
Have an assistant to crank the engine over. Record the reading on the voltmeter, while the engine is cranking.
There should be a reading of 0.3 volts or less.

If excessive resistance is found clean the battery cable ends and terminals. Clean the place on the engine where the negative cable attaches. Retest. If excessive resistance is still present, replace the faulty cable.

If excessive resistance is not found, remove the starter and have it tested at a local auto parts store (many of them will test it for free!).
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 8:43 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Okay, I will try that this afternoon. Starter has been tested and that is okay. Anything else you think it could be?
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 8:43 AM (Merged)
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I was driving and the car engine power reduced light came on. I put it on a machine to get the codes. One day I was driving and it cut off. I bought the crankshaft sensor put it on and it still will not crank. What can be the problem? Could the timing have jumped or do I need to replace the other two sensors? The pedal idle sensors will those make the car not start?
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 8:43 AM (Merged)
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CJ MEDEVAC
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Different person.

"The starter"

Bench testing at the auto store proves that it runs, they cannot simulate the heat and the load on it, short of putting it on another vehicle.

Just a last resort possibility.

I will give you all the information I got before you tear your hair out, or unwisely spend money.

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https://www.2carpros.com/questions/1996-chevrolet-tahoe-wont-start-sounds-dead-battery-jumpbox-get-same-reults

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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 8:43 AM (Merged)
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I have a couple questions. First, what are the codes that you got when you checked them? Second, when you say it doesn't crank, that normally means when you turn the key the starter does not turn the engine. Do you mean it doesn't start but it cranks over?

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-cranks-but-wont-start
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 8:43 AM (Merged)
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JOHNNY G.JR
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Some starters will not turn over when hot. I had a 1973 Fire-bird with headers. When the starter got hot, the starter would not crank, when cooled down started fine. I replaced with high torque starter. Problem gone.
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 8:43 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Just replaced the positive cable because it was showing some wire I guess where the wire was hitting the manifold. Maybe that will fix my problem. Crossing my fingers.
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 8:43 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Still having the same issue.
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Monday, January 4th, 2021 AT 8:43 AM (Merged)
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KEN L
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Yes, lets please try replacing the starter. Here is a link to a good AC Delco unit:

Great instructions by FreeMBA, one of our best online mechanics at his best!

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007QBU5IS/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=2carprcom-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B007QBU5IS&linkId=d75d2b4665e6f3563ed5a95328323982

Let us know how it goes so i will help others.

Best, Ken

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