Transmission control module location

Tiny
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Where is it located?
Monday, August 27th, 2018 AT 2:54 PM

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Tiny
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It is on the right inner fender its right up on top, with three rectangular plugs. It is just a few inches forward of the right hood hinge.

What kind of problem are you trying to solve?

Check out the diagrams (Below). Cheers
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Monday, August 27th, 2018 AT 6:25 PM
Tiny
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Lot of times it would be running fine on the highway and then it would slip into neutral and then go back Into second gear and stay locked into limp in mode. Takes a long time to shift into gear if it rained or was cold. Then one day it was over heating and spewing some kind of liquid on passengers side of motor. Then car just would not shift again into any gears and now it makes a high pitched winning noise in all gears. We are broke and have our own family, money is tight. So we are trying to fix this on our own. Cannot afford to take it to the shop and it is our only way around. We have been stuck on our feet for three months now and desperate to fix this. I have done a lot of research and I keep getting led back to its the TCM gone bad. So I have saved the money and am fixing to order the part, but before I spent money we do not really have I wanted to reach out to some one who might know more. I am also planning on getting a new filter for the transmission pump the kit with a gasket and o-ring and also going to replace the fluid as well. Please help me. Am I on the right track or am I wrong? Do you know maybe what is up with our car? Any advice is much appreciated
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Monday, August 27th, 2018 AT 7:32 PM
Tiny
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The first thing to try to do is determine exactly what is taking place when it drops into limp mode. Most commonly that is during an up-shift to a higher gear. When the clutch plates are worn to the end of their life, excessive slippage takes place, and the computer detects that before final full lock-up occurs. You can work around that by accelerating a little harder than normal, then letting up on the accelerator pedal for a few seconds to let the next higher clutch pack lock up solidly under no load. Once firmly engaged, then accelerate the same way to the next gear. That is not fixing anything. It is just helping you get by for another few thousand miles, but the real solution is to rebuild the transmission.

If it ever goes into limp mode right away, before you even start moving, it is almost always due to a sensor or wiring/connector terminal problem. The computer detected that defect when no clutch pack is engaged yet.

There are two things you can do first, but it involves a mechanic with a scanner that can access the transmission computer. Definitely do not unplug the computer or disconnect the battery. Either of those will lose power to the computer which will erase its valuable stored data. The first thing your mechanic must do is to read and record the diagnostic fault codes. Those will give us an idea of where to start the diagnosis. The next is to read the "Clutch Volume Index, (CVI). That is a set of four numbers corresponding to the volume of fluid it takes to apply each of the four clutch packs. An experienced transmission specialist can tell by those how much life is left in the transmission. You may want to visit a transmission specialty shop for this. Reading all this data only takes a few minutes, but you need someone who knows how to interpret it.

I have a 1993 Dynasty, twin to your model, and I have a Chrysler DRB3 scanner for all of my vehicles, so I know how to retrieve the data, but not how to interpret the CVI numbers.
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Monday, August 27th, 2018 AT 8:26 PM
Tiny
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There has been times the car would start out like this, stuck in low gear we would not ever get to make it out of town, unless we wanted to drive thirty mph the whole way. How do I get it to a mechanic? And yes, most of the time it was on the high way going into higher gear so we could drive seventy mph not thirty mph it would shift okay into high gear but then shortly down shift. As soon a we would slow down there it would go and downshift again.
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2018 AT 6:17 AM
Tiny
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And when it did this either it just would not shift into higher gear or when we would be driving it would down shift and no matter if we sped up or slowed down it would stay there. Now if we stopped, shut car off or this may sound crazy but if we drove over some bumps it would go ahead and shift.
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2018 AT 6:29 AM
Tiny
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I do not have a way to get it to a mechanic. I do not have money for a tow.
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2018 AT 6:29 AM
Tiny
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Could it not be from the TCM?
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2018 AT 6:33 AM
Tiny
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The purpose of limp mode is to keep it in second gear specifically so you can drive slowly to a repair shop without needing a tow truck. It will never come out of limp mode on its own while you are driving. The only way to do that is to turn the ignition switch off, then restart the engine. If it is coming out of limp mode while you are driving, that would point to an intermittent bad connection causing power to be lost to the Transmission Computer. That is where knowing the diagnostic fault code numbers is helpful. Without that information, there is no way to know which circuit or system needs to be diagnosed.
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2018 AT 7:44 PM
Tiny
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Thank you. I am going to try replacing TCM.
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2018 AT 7:50 PM
Tiny
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If you think that is it without diagnosing anything first, get a used one from a salvage yard. It will plug right in with no need for any kind of programming to your car. Go by the application, not the part number. There were many revisions to these computers, and each time one was sent in for repair, it got all the updates and a new part number.
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2018 AT 8:16 PM
Tiny
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Used one off eBay. Pulled off a running vehicle.
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2018 AT 8:30 PM
Tiny
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Thank you.
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Tuesday, August 28th, 2018 AT 8:30 PM
Tiny
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Did it fix the problem?
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Friday, August 31st, 2018 AT 2:12 PM
Tiny
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Will not know until I get the part.
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Friday, August 31st, 2018 AT 3:48 PM
Tiny
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About to order the TCM. Is there a picture or diagram or link you could show me the location of the TCM on our car?
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Saturday, September 1st, 2018 AT 9:47 AM
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Yes, on the first post (above) in the diagrams below click to enlarge it.
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Saturday, September 1st, 2018 AT 11:01 AM
Tiny
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I finally figured out the problem. If you look at that diagram way up at the beginning, it is wrong. It is a mirror image of the correct module location. It shows the receiver/drier for the AC system right in front of the module, but that is on the passenger side, just like where I said the module lives. It is right in front of the passenger side hood hinge, bolted to the inner fender.
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Saturday, September 1st, 2018 AT 10:49 PM
Tiny
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Thank you! I am fixing to order the part and I will let you know how it turned out.
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Sunday, September 2nd, 2018 AT 8:12 AM
Tiny
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Be aware there is a relearn period after power is lost for this computer. It has to learn the volume in CC's of fluid it takes to apply each of the four clutch packs. That is the "clutch volume index", CVI I mentioned earlier. By knowing that, when a clutch pack has badly-worn plates, it takes more fluid to apply that clutch, and that takes more time. It will update and modify its shift schedules to engage third gear, for example, then wait a fuzz longer than normal before releasing second gear. That longer overlap results in a nice clean, solid shift like when it was new, right up to the time it cannot update any further, then the slippage occurs and it goes to limp mode. The disadvantage to this is you do not get to feel that slippage as "engine runaway" like we had years ago before these computer controls. We used to get a good two or three years of mushy shifts as a warning that a transmission rebuild was in our future. Not any more.

We were always told at the Chrysler schools that the shifts could be real sloppy or soft, or harsh like those of an older muscle car, for the first two miles or about a dozen up-shift cycles, but in actual practice, it was rare to observe anything unusual at all. This does not apply only to replacing the computer. It applies to any Chrysler model with a Transmission Computer when the battery is disconnected to replace it or for any other routine service. We were always told that if the work we performed did not require a test drive, we were to do one anyway to do that relearn for customer satisfaction. That directive went away over the years because it just was not necessary. My reason for mentioning this is I am worried you have worn clutch packs and the new computer is not going to solve anything. I hope I am wrong, and if I am, I do not want you to be concerned if the shifting does not feel right, right away. If it no longer goes into limp mode, drive the car a few miles before evaluating the shift quality.

Besides all the different part numbers these computers can have, some have finned heat sinks on the side and some do not. My 1993 Dynasty did not have the heat sink, and when I mentioned one of the ten common "irritants" about shift quality, I learned there was updated software that could be installed, but only those computers with the heat sink could be "flashed" with that new software. I got a new computer with the heat sink, under warranty, then I put the new software in it at the dealership I worked for. Unfortunately it did not change anything, but compared to some cars I have driven, mine has nothing to whine and snivel about.
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Sunday, September 2nd, 2018 AT 10:19 PM
Tiny
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Thank you! I will keep this in mind, especially if this does not work. Is it expensive to fix?
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Monday, September 3rd, 2018 AT 5:19 AM

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