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Overheating

Tiny
TOM NELSON
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  • 2003 SUBARU IMPREZA
  • 2.0L
  • 4 CYL
  • 4WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 106,000 MILES
Engine is overheating. They replace the thermostat, it is fine for about a month, then it starts overheating again. It is also leaking small amounts of coolant when parked, but not enough to lower the reserve level. The temperature suddenly jumps up to the red limit, then quickly goes back down. Coolant can be heard boiling in the radiator.

The thermostat has been replaced four times now and I'm starting to think it's not the thermostat, but something they're doing incidentally. But what?
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Wednesday, May 25th, 2022 AT 3:45 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

If the thermostat works okay for a while and then it starts overheating, chances are it isn't the thermostat.

Does this happen regardless of driving speed? For example, does it only overheat when in stop-and-go traffic or does it overheat at highway speeds?

Next, you indicated a slight leak, and you hear boiling. Has anyone checked the radiator cap to confirm it is holding pressure? Also, was the timing belt and water pump replaced at 100K?

As far as the leak is concerned, we need to determine where it is coming from. What I suggest is to perform a pressure test on the cooling system to see if you can locate it. Here is a link that explains how that is done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/radiator-pressure-test

This may help you as well:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-is-leaking-coolant

For the pressure test, you will need a pressure tester. Most people don't own one, but oftentimes a parts store will lend one to you.

Last is a possible head gasket issue. Take a look through this link and see if anything mirrors what you experience. Some of the checks are more involved, but there are a few very basic ones. See which you are comfortable doing.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/head-gasket-blown-test

I would like you to try something for me. When the engine is cold, remove the radiator cap and start the engine. See if coolant shoots out of the radiator.

Let me know what you find or if you have questions.

Take care,

Joe

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Wednesday, May 25th, 2022 AT 9:19 PM
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Thanks, Joe. The radiator cap was the first thing they replaced, but no effect. They've pressure-tested the radiator several times and they swear there's no leak. I also had the water pump replaced (thinking it was a seal leak), which didn't help. There's no sign of gases or foaming and no coolant shoots out when the radiator cap is off. The oil looks clear and there's no steam visible, so it seems not to be a head gasket problem.

It had a blown head gasket about seven years ago and the timing belt was replaced as well. I checked all the hoses, and they looked fine, but I did notice coolant leaking out at the bottom of the reservoir. The reservoir is still full.

It only seems to overheat in stop-and-go driving so far. I'll have the reservoir and the tubing replaced tomorrow and see if that helps.

Tom
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Thursday, May 26th, 2022 AT 12:53 AM
Tiny
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Tom,

If it isn't overheating at highway speeds, that is usually the result of the cooling fans not running. I know that sounds basic, but have you noticed it coming on? Also, how many miles are on the timing belt that was replaced? If it's stretched, it could change timing slightly which too can cause the engine to run hotter.

Let me know if the fans are working and about the timing belt. Also, when the engine is at operating temperature, squeeze the upper radiator hose. It should be solid. If it is soft, we are losing pressure.

Joe
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Thursday, May 26th, 2022 AT 5:34 PM
Tiny
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Joe,

The timing belt couldn't have more than 20,000 miles on it. The fans are working. They're controlled by a thermostat, so that's probably why they kept replacing the thermostat.

You may be on to something about the hose. It is very soft when the engine is cold and only partly solid when it's warm. The coolant in the reservoir moves up when I squeeze it, so I think it's holding pressure. But there's also a crunching sound when I squeeze it. They told me they flush the radiator whenever they replace the thermostat. Is it possible that small bits of rubber are slowly breaking off and creating a clog? That would explain why it stays fixed for a month after they work on it.

Tom
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Friday, May 27th, 2022 AT 1:51 AM
Tiny
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Tom,

Anything is possible. If you remove the radiator cap, is there any evidence that the coolant is contaminated? Are the hoses original? I agree with you that it seems something is moving around and restricting the flow of coolant. When the timing belt was replaced, did they also replace the water pump?

Also, you mentioned a small leak, but not enough to lower the reservoir. Are you certain the radiator is full?

Let me know.

Joe
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Friday, May 27th, 2022 AT 9:01 PM
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Joe,

The overheating happened again yesterday and now it definitely has a blown head gasket. Whatever was causing it before, it seems it's now academic.

Tom
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Saturday, May 28th, 2022 AT 1:05 AM
Tiny
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Tom,

I'm sorry to hear that. If you plan to do the work yourself, make sure to have the heads checked to make sure nothing warped.

I have a feeling the gasket was on its way out but not providing the traditional indications,

Tom, let me know if there is anything I can do to help. Also, I realize the timing belt isn't too old. However, since you will have it apart, I would consider replacing it and the water pump.

Take care and let me know how things turn out for you.

Joe
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Saturday, May 28th, 2022 AT 8:59 PM
Tiny
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You may be right. Seems to be a design flaw in these older Subarus. I appreciate your help.

Tom
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Sunday, May 29th, 2022 AT 1:34 AM
Tiny
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You are very welcome, Tom. Let me know if I can help in any way. Also, please feel free to come back anytime in the future. You are always welcome here.

Take care,

Joe
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Sunday, May 29th, 2022 AT 7:27 PM

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