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NICKOLAOSF
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The next is to put things back together make sure your coils are secured clear codes.
First start engine and idling using a test light (remove injector cylinder one connector)check to see you a pulse light on test light while is idling.
Second if it is pulsing light it means you are okay there replace all spark plugs, and cylinder one ignition coil with a new one. Once you have done that erase codes again and scan again this time with ignition on engine off, if no codes show then proceed to start engine allow engine to idle and watching the tester to see if any other codes appear then p0300, listen is the engine misfiring, remember any small vacuum leak can cause a misfire indication.
Remember to replace the spark plugs.
This technical bulletin possible that it applies to your vehicle.
To run this procedure you will need a tester that you can check live misfires on the tester it will show the cylinders what there are doing while it is running (it will show all cylinders and have 0 and when that cylinder misfires the 0 will change. Then when it is misfiring it should change to for instance 100 + or -. Write witch cylinders show misfires.
See chart on Technical Service Bulletin.

Cheers, Nick
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Wednesday, April 21st, 2021 AT 6:45 PM
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JEFF HERMAN
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Well, now that the vehicle is at my house I did a full compression test on it and I got bad results put it that way. Cylinders 1 and 3 were 175 PSI. Cylinder 5 was 160 PSI. Cylinder 6 was 50 PSI. Cylinder 4 was 60 PSI. And cylinder 2 was 100 PSI. Probably a bad cam. Then I wanted to check my tester to make sure something wasn't happening it is a Matco. I retested cylinder one several times and only got 150 PSI. Not that it really matters with those other numbers. So I don't think we need to replace plugs or check anymore coils or anything until we determine what's going on inside the engine.
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Wednesday, April 21st, 2021 AT 8:10 PM
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NICKOLAOSF
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Yes were right if you can do cylinder leak or go to tear down not waist any more time read the tech bulletin and move forward.

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Wednesday, April 21st, 2021 AT 10:00 PM
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Dropped a little oil in cylinder number 6 this morning and did a compression test and got no change 50 PSI. I'm suspecting something in the valve train. Apparently these engines are known for breaking the rockers or displacing the rockers. Also dead lifters. Obviously stuck valves and dropping the valve seats which causes the stuck valve. Looks like the valve covers coming off.
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Thursday, April 22nd, 2021 AT 8:45 AM
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JEFF HERMAN
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I don't see anything out of the ordinary underneath here. Everything looks intact. How do I turn the engine over by hand so I can watch the valve train? Do you have any other suggestions?
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Thursday, April 22nd, 2021 AT 1:26 PM
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NICKOLAOSF
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It is time to tear down start with valve covers you will be able see cam lobs and move your way down, if you had a bore scope you can see inside, valve and combustion area. The best way is rebuild short block ask around for prices.
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Thursday, April 22nd, 2021 AT 1:42 PM
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It's not my vehicle I'm just trying to help somebody out. Is there no way to turn the engine over by hand to see if the valves are stuck?
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Thursday, April 22nd, 2021 AT 1:44 PM
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NICKOLAOSF
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You can insert a socket in front of the crankshaft and use a ratchet, or lift vehicle and go to the flywheel.
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Thursday, April 22nd, 2021 AT 1:51 PM
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JEFF HERMAN
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That's what I figured but it doesn't look like it's easy access.
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Thursday, April 22nd, 2021 AT 2:04 PM
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STEVE W.
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Pull the plugs out and use the drive belt to turn it over. Been able to do that on many 3.7s. If nut a strap wrench on the crank pulley with the belt off works. Or a faster way would be to use your compression tester. Pull the one way valve out of it and use it like a leak down tester. Rotate the engine so both lobes on 6 are up, apply some air pressure, air rushing out the exhaust or intake (they normally drop the exhaust seats) and you have the culprit. If it's a bad seat the rocker is going to be very loose as well on that valve.
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Thursday, April 22nd, 2021 AT 5:04 PM
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Both lobes up at the same time or intake and exhaust separately.
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Friday, April 23rd, 2021 AT 12:02 PM
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I think that was a dumb question I retract it.
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Friday, April 23rd, 2021 AT 12:08 PM
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I don't really know what I'm listening for I'm getting air leakage into the intake manifold when the intakes are up. I think that's where the air is going and I was getting some air out the exhaust. If you could explain this a little more I could test again.
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Friday, April 23rd, 2021 AT 12:26 PM
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STEVE W.
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Okay, if the lobes on the cam are up so the valves should be closed because the rocker arms are on the lowest part of the cam you shouldn't hear any air through the intake or exhaust, you might hear a little through the oil drains because no piston seals perfectly, but if you are hearing air out the intake the valves are bad and the heads need to come off. At that point it doesn't matter if it's intake or exhaust as they are leaking. Those engines tend to lose the valve seats or the lash adjusters will pump up hard and the rocker will push the valve down and just touch the piston as it returns and you get a leak.
If you opt to replace the heads rather than rebuild them, be careful as to which ones you get, they are different over the various years. You would need the ones from an 05 or 06 for them to work properly.
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Friday, April 23rd, 2021 AT 1:30 PM
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If this were mine I would do it for fun. And to learn as it it's been a while since I've done a head. Since it's not mine and it has 260,000 miles on the chassis I don't think it's worth the money for the owner. Supposedly a new used engine with 110,000 Miles was put in around 200,000 so it should have 160,000 miles on the engine.
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Friday, April 23rd, 2021 AT 10:38 PM
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STEVE W.
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I would agree with that, including the ownership provision. I would price it out and see what the owner wants to do.
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Friday, April 23rd, 2021 AT 11:32 PM

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