Running hot

Tiny
GARY WALCOTT SR.
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  • 1990 FORD CROWN VICTORIA
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  • V8
  • RWD
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  • 120,000 MILES
This Country Squire runs at a quarter in the normal range and then goes to half and stops around three quarters, not good. That is within a forty five minute run time. Every cooling devise has been changed right before I bought it. The fan shroud was missing, so I replaced that. I have come to believe it is the catalytic converter. It is stated many times on the net that if the converter is bad, the amount of heat thrown back in the engine can cause it to overheat. There is no water in the oil indicating a head gasket. The car got over half today and I had it towed home and now I am having the catalytic converter replaced Friday hoping the problem will go away. Also, even though it was still in the normal range at three quarters, when parked it, the overflow tank was taking on bubbling coolant. Just to let you know, water pump, thermostat, belts, radiator, all replaced. I guess the radiator is okay but looks wimpy. Sure hope it is the twenty seven year old catalytic converters. Let me know what you think. Thanks
Gary Walcott
Ellijay Ga
Need to state that it has never gone to the hot outside the normal range level but even though it stated normal range, I knew that having the needle between the M and the A in normal was not good. There is just one and a half letters left in so called normal range at that point.
Tuesday, September 19th, 2017 AT 6:07 PM

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Tiny
KEN L
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Does the engine have low power? If not then its not the cats. It sounds more like you have a problem with the temperature sender or it could still be ahead gasket even though coolant is not in the oil.

Here is guide that should help you confirm the failure.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/head-gasket-blown-test

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-overheating-or-running-hot

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/symptoms-of-an-overheating-engine

The reason it might be the temperature sensor is the never completely overheated I would use a temp gun and see what the actual temperature is coming out of the thermostat housing.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-infrared-temperature-meter

Please let us know what you find.

Cheers, Ken
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Wednesday, September 20th, 2017 AT 1:31 PM
Tiny
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Thanks for reply. I have a feeling it is the head gasket. What do you think of "Bars Leaks"? Saw a lot of good reviews and only one angry one after a guys upper radiator hose blew. This Friday will tell for sure. Putting thermostat in and 2 cats. I will let you know. I'll have them check for air in the system and also check the temp sensor. Thanks.
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Wednesday, September 20th, 2017 AT 7:12 PM
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KEN L
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I have heard that blue devil seems to work pretty good, my uncle tried it and swears by it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NOO798/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=2carprcom-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B000NOO798&linkId=fea9f2329e57db3fd744ac8bd13c835d

$35.00 on Amazon.

Follow the directions it gives and let me know what happens.

Cheers, Ken
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Thursday, September 21st, 2017 AT 10:42 AM
Tiny
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Thank you for that tip. I am going to check that out.
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Thursday, September 21st, 2017 AT 7:19 PM
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KEN L
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Please let us know what happens.

Cheers, Ken
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Friday, September 22nd, 2017 AT 10:17 AM
Tiny
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I got the Bars Leaks product Ken. On my way home after Tstat and Cat converters and fan clutch, had to pull over and let cool off. Was getting there fast but did not get there. Water pump is new also, and radiator. Mechanic said if it overheats, he will have to pull heads. I figure at this point, this is it. It is the premium Bars Leaks with a warranty. I will let you know. Why do you think I could not get the heater hot? AC was fine but no heat. I am suppose to run heat on high but no heat. Gonna do it anyway.
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Wednesday, October 4th, 2017 AT 5:44 PM
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The heater wont work if it is full of exhaust gasses which will happen if you have a blown head gasket, let me know what happens.

Cheers, Ken
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Friday, October 6th, 2017 AT 9:42 AM
Tiny
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It gets to 3/4 and stops there after the head gasket liquid was put in. So no change. The bubbling is gone though. Temp sensor? What about a good quality radiator. This one was replaced in the past few years but it does not look like the best quality and I found a $50.00 receipt for it. I have heard many people change everything including radiator and still same. Should I not worry? I am going to elevate car tomorrow and run car without cap til thermostat opens. Maybe has to burp. I thought I asked my mechanic to do that. Maybe he forgot. Maybe I will just run it Iike it is. The AC went luke warm the other day though so I know it is getting hotter than it is suppose to. Why would a temp sensor make it overheat? As it is warming, I can watch gauge and can tell when thermostat opens because it go's down a bit but then as I drive it go's past half but supposedly it is still in the normal range. Let me know what you would do and I will let you know if burping it worked. I would assume that the gasket was ok to begin with.
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Sunday, October 8th, 2017 AT 9:13 PM
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KEN L
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When it is getting hot do you hear the clutch fan engage? Sounds like a small airplane taking off beside you?
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Monday, October 9th, 2017 AT 11:05 AM
Tiny
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The fan clutch was replaced. I did burp it this morning and got a little excited because it was running at normal so I shut it off and took it for a ride a half hour later. This time came very close to overheating and was bubbling when I parked it. Damn! I guess I am not the only one with hot running engines. Very frustrating. I am at a stand still right now. New Engine Maybe? Is it age?
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Monday, October 9th, 2017 AT 12:41 PM
Tiny
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That is a good point about the noise I should be hearing from the fan. It is characteristic of fords to make a roaring fan sound in the older 5.0's and it is not there. What do I need to say to mechanic? Because he just replaced the fan clutch.
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Monday, October 9th, 2017 AT 2:10 PM
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KEN L
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Yep things are pointing toward a head gasket. Have you done the test?
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Tuesday, October 10th, 2017 AT 10:38 AM
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Have not done test yet but I dropped it of with mechanic. He thinks fan may not be working properly. He had an idea to put in continuous fan like the old cars. He is not sure if head gasket is bad. Thinks it is fan. I did put the Bars Leaks in. NOTHIN! Let me know what you think of this latest post.
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Tuesday, October 10th, 2017 AT 5:18 PM
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KEN L
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Please let us know what you find. I'm interested to see what it is.

Cheers, Ken
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Wednesday, October 11th, 2017 AT 10:16 AM
Tiny
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I will let you know. I have not heard from him yet. I always tell him get to it when he can. I have 6 old Fords registered and I am retired About 500 miles each per year. My wife has her 2 cars. Total of 8. Keeps me busy but not mechanically. Just detailing. I call this Ford with the overheating problem, a problem child.
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Wednesday, October 11th, 2017 AT 12:41 PM
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Lol yep some can be that way. Let me know what happens
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Thursday, October 12th, 2017 AT 10:39 AM
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I will Ken. May hear today. He said he had the fan arriving today. Thanks again.
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Thursday, October 12th, 2017 AT 11:16 AM

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