Run rough, shuts off, backfire

Tiny
JUSTINP.
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  • 2002 CHEVROLET CAVALIER
  • 2.2L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 183,000 MILES
Car ran great. Stopped by friends house. Went to leave would not start. Gas needle does not work so thought low on gas although should not be. Used starter fluid to check. Car started. Went to go to gas station and died pulling from stop sign like out of gas. Got gas. Would not start. Used starter fluid. Had to drive two feet to keep running. Later evening could not keep running. Shut off when put in gear. Runs rough and have to baby sit pedal. Backfires through intake and exhaust like bad miss. Problem is intermittent. Sometimes runs at idle just fine. Can rev up slowly to 3,000 rpm and let off slowly. If revved quickly it want to shut off like fuel saturation or no air. Have checked air filter and working on without air filter and changes nothing. Inspected plug wires, cleaned plugs and changed coil packs. Sometime start and idles fine but revs quickly wants to shut off. Sometimes start and runs like crap and have to babysit pedal.
In working on have found a missing exhaust manifold bolt on far right cylinder on drivers and loose bolt on bottom of same. Can hear a psssss sound from back side of engine but do not know if that is new or not. Not a very loud one, very faint if not listening for may not notice.
Now showing number four misfire, O2 code and a class 2 ground (will include picture) when before it was only showing low fuel on acceleration code.
When run rough it backfires through intake regularly and through exhaust like really bad miss. When idles good and revs up slowly no problem but when let off gas quickly it backfired through exhaust, again like bad misfire.
At one point tried to put in gear and shut off. Now transmission stuck in park and ignition switch will not turn to off position. Anti theft light comes on when switch turned to on position but goes off like normal.
Have been told could be fuel filter or pump but cannot see how filter or pump could cause backfire through intake. Thought about timing but timing does not fix itself part time. Have been told could be ECM but in my limited experience when an ECM goes it is done, again no part time. I have not pulled valve cover yet to check for broken valve spring which I have been told can work intermittent depending on where or how it is broke.
Only car we have and do not have money for down payment on another or credit to keep from getting ripped off due no my medical bills. Help!
The P1171 code was showing already as well as a fuel sensor code for the fuel level which is why the gas needle does not work!
Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 AT 9:04 AM

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Tiny
ASEMASTER6371
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Good afternoon,

From all the issues you have listed and the information you have given, it all points toward low fuel pressure.

I would start by checking the actual fuel pressure. You can rent one at a parts store for this test. Low or very little pressure will cause this, not the filter.

Roy

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-an-electric-fuel-pump
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Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 AT 9:21 AM
Tiny
JUSTINP.
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ASEMASTER6371: Thanks for the information, but I am very confused here. I have another ASE mechanic for thirty years that says low fuel pressure should not cause backfire through the intake. Checking the fuel filter tomorrow as is a two mile walk to Advance Auto! I do not understand how low fuel pressure can cause through intake, exhaust I can see as fuel air ratio in cylinder is above HEL and when gets into exhaust can be mixed properly and heat ignites it. Have also seen flame blow out through intake tube. Not exactly a physics master either but I do know that much like electricity, darn near anything is possible!
Luckily though I have 2000 Malibu that bit the dust a few months back that uses same fuel pump and I replaced it in Malibu last January.
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Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 AT 2:27 PM
Tiny
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I have seen it many, many times. I would still have it checked to be sure.

Beyond that, a compression test would be next. Need to be sure there is no issue with the timing chain as well.

Roy
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Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 AT 2:32 PM
Tiny
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ASMASTER6371: Yes, compression test is in the works if fuel pressure low. Hoping not a bad head gasket. Have seen them run fine and then run bad, then run fine again. No leaks under vehicle I can find, no oil in coolant and no water in oil pan. Timing I had thought about but I have never seen a timing problem correct itself and then do it again! When I get down to rent a compression tester probably ought to rent a timing light as well. I assume you can check timing with a timing light just like on older vehicles? ( Pre 1988)
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Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 AT 2:49 PM
Tiny
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Sounds like a plan.

No you cannot check it with a timing light. You are thinking old school. That is back in my day. I still have my snap on light.

Roy
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Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 AT 3:01 PM
Tiny
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ASEMASTERY6371. Yeah my day too. Lol. Will not be a few short years I will be getting that senior discount! Hard to admit I do not know much about all this new stuff on these cars. I am still used to working on cars without O2 sensors and computers, where a carburetor adjustment usually solved a lot of problems. LOL. Thanks for the help.
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Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 AT 8:34 PM
Tiny
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You are welcome.

Always glad to help.

Roy
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Wednesday, November 28th, 2018 AT 8:37 PM

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