Fluctuating RPM's

Tiny
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Hi guys, my car if start the car the rev it goes up and down 1,000 to 2,000 it keeps on doing that only that problem. I need help what is wrong?
Saturday, January 4th, 2020 AT 9:44 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

First, I have to explain this vehicle isn't offered in the US so my technical information is extremely limited. However, I will try my best to help.

What you described sounds like a bad idle air control valve (IAC). The IAC is responsible for maintaining the engine idle speed. Take a look through these two links that explain how to service the idle control valve and one that explains in general how one is replaced.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/idle-air-control-valve-service

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-an-idle-speed-control-motor-iac

You can try to service the one on your vehicle, but before you replace it, I would suggest checking for engine vacuum leaks. A vacuum leak can cause idle issues as well.

Here is a link that explains how to check for a vacuum leak. You should do this as well before replacing parts.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

Let me know if this helps. If you have other questions, feel free to let me know. Although there many different brands and models, the all work primarily the same.

Take care,
Joe

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Saturday, January 4th, 2020 AT 11:14 PM
Tiny
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Okay, I'll try over the weekend to check it and fix it. Do I need a throttle body and idle air controller (pray) to clean the throttle because I think it needs to clean too?
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Sunday, January 5th, 2020 AT 11:56 PM
Tiny
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This is what my car doing while am driving (this video I download one of the website), but my car does the same because when if am changing down gears still it revs high.
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Monday, January 6th, 2020 AT 5:50 AM
Tiny
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Same like this car too. So guys what is wrong here or I must clean the throttle body?
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Monday, January 6th, 2020 AT 5:51 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

I didn't realize it did it while driving. I thought it was at idle. When the engine is revving up and down while driving, do you feel the vehicle accelerate and decelerate?

Let me know. Also, has the check engine light come on and stayed on with the engine running?

Let me know.

Joe
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Monday, January 6th, 2020 AT 8:07 PM
Tiny
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It rev while am driving if I put on neutral gear, but when if I put gear not revving, yes engine light on always.
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Monday, January 6th, 2020 AT 11:14 PM
Tiny
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I suspect it is one of the first things I mentioned. However, before we start replacing parts, I strongly recommend having the computer scanned for diagnostic trouble codes. If the engine light is staying on, there are codes stored in the computer that will help direct us to the problem.

Here is a quick video that shows how it is done:

https://youtu.be/YV3TRZwer8k

I realize most people don't own a scanner, but most parts stores will do it for free or lend/rent a scanner to you. Have this done and that way I'll have a better idea as to which way to direct you.

I will watch for your reply.

Take care,
Joe
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Tuesday, January 7th, 2020 AT 7:30 PM
Tiny
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I just went Nissan garage now and the put car on computer machine and they scan it found that I must change sensors Cam sensor both of them the top one and bottom one.
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Wednesday, January 8th, 2020 AT 12:19 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

That is possible. Do you know what the codes are that were found? Usually both don't go bad at the same time, but anything is possible.

Here is a link that shows in general how to replace cam sensors. It really isn't hard, and if you do it, you'll save a lot of money. The parts shouldn't be that expensive. However, I don't recommend getting a really inexpensive one online. Get something with a brand name that people recognize. I can't tell you how often people get things offline really cheap and either they don't work or they don't work properly.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/camshaft-angle-sensor-replacement

Please feel free to let me know if I can help or if you have other questions.

Take care,

Joe
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Wednesday, January 8th, 2020 AT 6:43 PM
Tiny
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I went nissan garage they put my car on computer and they found problem it sensors CamSensor and I change both top one and bottom one and after that they scanner again and they erase codes, I start my car give me more problem I keep on trying to make it right soon as I leave workshop my car start revving up and down again
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Friday, January 10th, 2020 AT 2:39 PM
Tiny
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It revving like this car so I went someone he told me I must fix Throttle position sensor it damaged inside that why is doing like this, so can you help on that problem, because now so which means I must go buy that sensor
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Friday, January 10th, 2020 AT 2:42 PM
Tiny
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This sensor, it need to adjust to make rev normal
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Friday, January 10th, 2020 AT 2:43 PM
Tiny
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That is the throttle position sensor. Yes, it could cause the issue. Did the dealer check it to confirm it is bad before you just replace it? I'm sure it isn't an inexpensive part.

Let me know.

Joe
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Friday, January 10th, 2020 AT 3:58 PM
Tiny
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How can I check throttle position sensor it broke or fault?
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Sunday, January 12th, 2020 AT 11:14 AM
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It like this inside myb it not sensing at all now
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Sunday, January 12th, 2020 AT 11:15 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

There are test procedures, but I don't have the specifics on this vehicle because it isn't offered in the US. I can provide a general test for a different model Nissan, such as a Sentra. But that has a 1.8L engine.

Let me know.
Joe
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Sunday, January 12th, 2020 AT 5:57 PM
Tiny
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How do you use that test?
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Monday, January 13th, 2020 AT 1:44 AM
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Here are the directions I have for an 02 Sentra with a 1.8L. The attached pics correlate with the directions.

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2002 Nissan-Datsun Sentra GXE L4-1.8L (QG18DE)
Component Tests and General Diagnostics
Vehicle Powertrain Management Fuel Delivery and Air Induction Sensors and Switches - Fuel Delivery and Air Induction Throttle Position Sensor Testing and Inspection Component Tests and General Diagnostics
COMPONENT TESTS AND GENERAL DIAGNOSTICS
Component Inspection

THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR

With CONSULT-II
1. Start engine and warm it up to normal operating temperature.
2. Stop engine (ignition switch OFF).
3. Remove the vacuum hose connected to the throttle opener.

Pic 1

4. Connect suitable vacuum hose to the vacuum pump and the opener.
5. Apply vacuum [more than -40.0 kPa (-300 mmHg, -11.81 inHg)] until the throttle drum becomes free from the rod of the throttle opener.
6. Turn ignition switch ON.

Pic 2

7. Select "DATA MONITOR" mode with CONSULT-II.

Pic 3

8. Check voltage of "THRTL POS SEN" under the given conditions.

NOTE: Voltage measurement must be made with throttle position sensor installed in vehicle.

If NG, adjust closed throttle position switch. Refer to "Basic Inspection".

9. If it is impossible to adjust closed throttle position switch in "Basic Inspection", replace throttle position sensor.

Without CONSULT-II
1. Start engine and warm it up to normal operating temperature.
2. Stop engine (ignition switch OFF).
3. Remove the vacuum hose connected to the throttle opener.

Pic 4

4. Connect suitable vacuum hose to the vacuum pump and the opener.
5. Apply vacuum [more than -40.0 kPa (-300 mmHg, -11.81 inHg)] until the throttle drum becomes free from the rod of the throttle opener.
6. Turn ignition switch ON.

Pic 5t

pic 6

7. Check voltage between ECM terminal 92 (Throttle position sensor signal) and ground under the given conditions.

NOTE: Voltage measurement must be made with throttle position sensor installed in vehicle.

If NG, adjust closed throttle position switch. Refer to "Basic Inspection".

8. If it is impossible to adjust closed throttle position switch in "Basic Inspection", replace throttle position sensor.

_______________________________

I don't know if you vehicle will be similar. Let me know.

Joe
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Monday, January 13th, 2020 AT 6:26 PM
Tiny
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Hi help me here that is my car throttle body, I don't know what noise it making if I shake it, it like something broke inside. Is it suppose to be like this? Guys this thing is there inside that hole.
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Friday, January 24th, 2020 AT 2:56 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

Nothing should be loose. However, hold the throttle plate when you shake it to see if that stops the noise.

Next, I believe where you pointed is where the idle air control valve (IAC) allows air to enter the engine when the throttle plate is closed. Have you removed the IAC and inspected it?

Let me know.
Joe
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Friday, January 24th, 2020 AT 9:16 PM

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