PCM pinout needed

Tiny
THOMAS THOMPSON
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I need a pen out of the PCM for the vehicle listed above with a 2.0 Zetec engine. I have a crank signal, but I have no RPM signal and I am not getting any spark. I have power to my ignition coil. Any suggestions of what maybe going on.
Monday, November 29th, 2021 AT 5:30 PM

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Tiny
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If you aren't getting an RPM signal to a scan tool, but the crank sensor is providing a signal, either you have corrosion at the PCM connector, a damaged pin in the connector, a damaged wire, or the PCM has failed. If you see no damage, check wires for continuity to see if there is an open.

I attached the pin-out for you below. I highlighted the pins in question.

Let me know if this helps or if you have other questions.

Take care,

Joe

See pics below.
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Monday, November 29th, 2021 AT 8:54 PM
Tiny
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Hey Joe, yes, I checked the whole wiring harness continuity going to both camshaft and crankshaft position sensor. I have pretty much exhausted everything online self-help YouTube all that, and this is one incident that nobody can give me an answer to. It just doesn't make sense they have a crank signal but no RPM signal, and then of course no spark, but I have power to the coil pack, and it is a brand-new coil pack. It's looking more and more like it's the probably going to be my PCM, but after talking with another couple of mechanics I have power to my injectors and it pulses when I turn it over, so they were saying if I didn't get that then it's probably PCM, but since I am getting a pulse in a signal, they think that my PCM is good. Only thing I can't do is check my floating ground that I have I can't get. I have a 3-wire set up for my coil pack with two grounds and it's a floating ground. Don't know how I can check it. Try to go online if anybody has any idea. Please help me ou.T thanks
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Friday, December 3rd, 2021 AT 8:24 PM
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Hi,

I ran through wiring schematics and started to question if it is a network issue. The tachometer receives the signal via the can which could be why the CKP signals, but you don't get an RPM signal.

I attached the wiring schematics below for the powertrain management circuits. I had to cut each pic in half to make them readable but did overlap them so you can follow from one to the next. Additionally, I highlighted wiring I feel is relevant to the issue.

The last pic I attached shows which pins to check for the network. One is a positive and the other negative (pins 2 and 10) SCP bus + and SCP bus -. SCP stands for standard corporate protocol.

These two circuits are inverted mirror images and to properly test requires a scan tool. In this case, use a DMM and check for a 5v reference at pin 2 at the DLC. Do this with the key in the run position.

Let me know what you find.

Joe

See pics below. The last two pics are the pinout for the DLC.
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Friday, December 3rd, 2021 AT 9:25 PM
Tiny
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On checking the 5-volt reference at the data link connector between 2 and 10 the thing jumps around from as low as 3.86 to 4.22 blinking every second, not a steady signal like I thought I would have. I'm wondering if I'm having a bad wiring harness, I recently replaced my PC M with my old one that was still good and had it reprogrammed successfully. Do you think there might be a problem with the network communication with the weird readings that I gave you up above? And if so, what do I need to check next to correct this freaking error? This truck has been down a little over six months because of this issue.
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Monday, February 14th, 2022 AT 5:12 PM
Tiny
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I also failed to tell you that when I put my scan tool on there, I get no codes, but I get a yellow light meaning there must be something going on.
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Monday, February 14th, 2022 AT 5:13 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

Is it the check engine light that is staying on?

Joe
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Tuesday, February 15th, 2022 AT 2:18 PM
Tiny
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The check engine light goes out whenever I crank it, but I get no RPM signal and as the other day I was doing some testing and now I get a crank signal at first and then the light comes back on after about 3 seconds.
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Thursday, February 17th, 2022 AT 5:20 PM
Tiny
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If you are not getting a crank signal (RPM signal), chances are it is a bad crankshaft position sensor. It can fail and not set a code.

Take a look through this link and let me know if it seems to mirror what you experience.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/symptoms-of-a-bad-crankshaft-sensor

Let me know.

Joe
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Thursday, February 17th, 2022 AT 6:04 PM
Tiny
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I get 1.5 volts from the crank sensor when I tested at the base where the two wires go into the harness, but when I get to the PC M side, I don't get anything so I'm thinking it's the harness I've got two other crank sensors that are good. Also that I switched around with it and all three of them do the same thing.
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Thursday, February 17th, 2022 AT 8:43 PM
Tiny
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The strange thing is when I check for continuity I get it to those two wires from the crank sensor this is a really interesting problem.
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Thursday, February 17th, 2022 AT 8:44 PM
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Hi,

If you are not getting a voltage signal at the PCM, it sounds like that is where the problem is coming from. The 1.5v could be a short in the wiring.

When you check the PCM, are you checking it with the connector disconnected or are you back probing?

Let me know.

Joe
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Friday, February 18th, 2022 AT 1:51 PM
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I am back probing it with it connected and turning the car over like I said I'm getting 1.5 at the beginning of the harness but I'm not getting anything at the PCM and that's what I was thinking my harness is messed up. The problem is it's hard to find this freaking harness. I haven't found any place here in Houston that I can get one unless I can find a manual transmission, possibly a Mazda Tribute or Ford Focus. Because both of them use the same engine but I've got that rare manual transmission that they hardly made a lot of on the 2.0 with the zetec engine I don't know what I'm going to do if I can't find one. The only place I found one was online and they wanted to charge me $400.00 for it and it was a used one, so I didn't know if it was going to be good or not that's a really expensive by with not a sure deal especially being used.
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Friday, February 18th, 2022 AT 7:26 PM
Tiny
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My concern is there is no power at the PCM. It may not be wiring. By chance, do you have the part number for the harness you need?

Let me know.

Joe
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Friday, February 18th, 2022 AT 9:02 PM
Tiny
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Okay Joe, so far, I have not been able to find the part number for that harness I will give you the VIN number though, it's going to be 1FMYU01B11KB82977. It's a 2001 Ford Escape 2.0 zetec engine manual transmission if that will help you. So, I did some more testing and found that I am getting 1.5 to 2.5 V for the crank going into the harness and at the PCM I am getting 0.735v, so I am losing signal through the harness. I guess that's why I'm getting the check engine light going out but I'm not getting the RPM signal because I'm not getting the full Voltage back to the PCM.
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Sunday, February 20th, 2022 AT 1:51 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

You may want to replace just that wire. If you need the entire harness, it will likely be expensive.

Take a look at this site. If you put the info in, it should locate you a used one.

https://www.partrequest.com/auto_parts/e/engine-wiring-harness/ford

One last question, let me know if it is 4wd or not.

Joe

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Sunday, February 20th, 2022 AT 7:22 PM
Tiny
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Well Joe, I did an extremely simulated rewire on the crank sensor. I actually took two of the same size wires that it calls for and put a stranded strip down ground around it and then put tinfoil around that and then sealed it with some rubberized electrician tape. I'm actually now getting fire to the coil. It hasn't caught yet but it's trying, at least I'm closer. So, yeah, it has been the wiring harness.
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Monday, February 21st, 2022 AT 8:44 PM
Tiny
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Tinfoil? What was that used for? Also, are you able to just replace the wire on a permanent basis?

Since it didn't have spark, the plugs may be fouled or wet. What do they look like when you remove them?

Be careful with the tinfoil. It is a conductor and I'm not sure I understand exactly how it was used.

Joe
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Tuesday, February 22nd, 2022 AT 6:15 PM
Tiny
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Well, since the original crank sensor was wrapped in a shielded ground inside the harness it was basically the two wires with the ground wrapped around it and then a foil tape type deal around that. So, I had to simulate that as close as possible spark plug still look like they're brand new which they were. The weird thing is, I keep getting the signal and it'll try to crank and then the next thing you know I lose the signal. I'm trying to figure out if my relays I may be bad, but I can't get it to catch I'm going to try to go through all the sensors and everything and make sure everything is good. Now that I'm getting fire, I just got to figure out the issue why I get a signal and then I don't and then I do.
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Friday, February 25th, 2022 AT 5:47 PM
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If you are getting a signal on and off, it is likely a connection issue. Focus on those as well. Also, the sensor itself could be the issue.

Let me know what I can do to help.

Joe
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Friday, February 25th, 2022 AT 7:16 PM

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