Battery Parasitic draw test?

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Yes, if current is flowing there will be voltage drop. Thats how Ohms Law works, if you know the voltage and resistance of a component you can find the current. And the other way as well. But you have to make sure that the vehicle is set up for a parasitic draw test. You don't want to chase a current draw that is happening because of a door or trunk switch that is not properly closed. Are you finding more than one fuse with voltage drop on it?
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2023 AT 12:49 PM
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How can a 10 amp fuse have 13amps of current going through it, will it not blow?
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2023 AT 3:19 PM
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That is just an example from the voltage drop chart, I'm not saying there is 13-amps, I'm saying that is the amperage for that amount of voltage drop that would be across that size fuse. Just an example of how to read the chart.
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Wednesday, December 13th, 2023 AT 7:00 PM
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Oh, I know that. I was just asking why would a fuse have over its rating current from the chart? I did learn about ohm's law in college and aware of how it works, it's just different when you apply it, lol.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 4:03 AM
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The 2nd set of charts is better since it shows lower voltage drop readings that you will end up encountering. The first chart does not look good like that. It's just that the resistance across a fuse is so low that it will be a few decimal points back from zero, but even that little amount will reveal current flow and that's why it's a good test, you don't have to disturb any circuits to check their current flow. In some cases, if you move a wiring harness around you can accidentally move a wire and fix the issue, that happens a lot with shorts to ground. And then you can never find the issue again. So, these non-evasive tests are the ones you want to stick to. The amp clamp will help a lot too. When used with an oscilloscope you can check for shorted ignition coils or solenoids by just clamping on the feed wire and looking at the waveform to see if it's irregular, but that's a whole other learning curve.
With the amount of current you're losing, hopefully it won't be too difficult to find.
Did you figure anything out about that Hood switch yet? It's definitely part of the security system.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 1:03 PM
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Hopefully. No have not yet figured out the hood switch. I am going to clamp the negative cable when I get the clamp today and disconnect the wire from switch that should tell me if the amp current drop at battery cable right? If not, am confused on when I remove it do I keep the wire connected and probe the 2 wires from back?
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 2:44 PM
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Also, if I connect the battery backup while it's full and then open all doors and lock latches and wait 2 hours for all modules to sleep the battery is still going to drain a lot in these 2 hours so what indonto keep it charged?
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 2:55 PM
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Now, the hood switch is an input. It's not causing the draw on the battery itself. The security system is seeing that the hood is open, hence the message you're getting on the cluster. Whatever module is responsible for the security system is going to stay awake on the network until it sees all the required inputs in their required states (such as doors closed and locked, trunk switch closed, hood switch closed, etc, ) then each system in the vehicle will start to power down, and eventually go to sleep. The CAN bus network's activity will stop. But that can't happen until the vehicle can be properly locked, and after an hour or so the security module will time out and shut down as well. This is where the larger current that draws on the battery will go down to a few milliamps. You need to figure out why the Hood switch is displaying that message to begin with.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 3:02 PM
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No, the hood shows open only if you start to drive. While doors are open and turned off it does not, and no messages appears I locked all latches and tried and locked it with the fob and it locked fine and the little red blinker was on.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 3:04 PM
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Well, you need to see how much current flow is there after its locked up, you can keep a battery maintainer on it to keep the battery up to at least 12.6v. Wait an hour and check the draw on the battery. You should see the current flow keeps decreasing to below 50ma. If after a couple hours you still have a few amp draw, then start checking fuses. Thats going to get you to the circuits on that fuse that could potentially be the draw. Once you get to that point and have some direction, you'll need to start isolating those circuits. This is why parasitic draws on modern vehicles are so difficult. Mercedes, BWM, and other high-end vehicles are even more difficult.
Has this vehicle set any codes or had any codes when you first got it?
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 3:41 PM
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Battery was bad when I got it like real bad, so I put a new one and I have done several CAN scans with nothing that can pinpoint me to anything. After the new battery all codes were deleted and was all good. Can I keep the tickler charger on it while the battery cables are still connected to the battery or better to keep a jumper box connected instead while I wait 2 hours for it to go to sleep?
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 4:10 PM
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If you end up with something like a 5amp draw or some other crazy high number like that, these are the 4 CAN bus connectors and all the modules throughout the vehicle, you can try plugging modules and see if the draw drops down, Starting with the radio if it has an Amp. You might get lucky if the draw is really high, which sounds like it is. The OEM diagrams are really difficult to read for this vehicle, we will end up on this vehicle for a year if we go by those. But try the amp clamp out when you get it. See what different current readings you get when you open a door, or turn the Radio on, just to get an idea of the different readings. You can see there are so many modules.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 4:24 PM
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It's better to use a battery maintainer that can control the amperage and you can set a certain voltage level. A battery maintainer will also have a read out of how many amps the battery is pulling. Trickle charger are really only to maintain a battery over long periods of time, not hooked up to the vehicle.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 4:27 PM
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It was charger a day before and I woke up to find it at 2.8v, lol.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 4:46 PM
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Any battery maintainer that is basic that you recommend? I have 2 battery chargers but I doubt they will maintain. I always invest in tools since I buy and sell cars since it shouldn't be a problem. I always have cars that need a parasite test. Believe it or not I have 3 now and all are Benz lol. Yes, I know so many modules to deal with. I suspect the HVAC but will see what I find. I say that cause when I turn the car off I hear something ticking behind the dash.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 4:50 PM
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Topdon makes a really good maintainer, you can set the voltage and it has a nice display that will actually show how many amps the vehicle is pulling.
Here's the HVAC fuses, if it has rear HVAC, there is a 40amp fuse for one of its "hot at all times" circuits. Pull those and see if the battery drops off. You could probably check the battery every few hours and see a difference. Even looking at the HVAC there are so many modules just for that system.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 4:59 PM
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Wow, Topdon is so high, in the range of $700.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 5:18 PM
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Yeah, quality tools cost money, but if you're going to need it a lot, you need something that's not going to cook batteries. But shop around, you want a maintainer though when doing diagnostics, low battery voltage will cause issues that may not really be an issue. And it's extremely important to maintain battery voltage when programming.
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Thursday, December 14th, 2023 AT 5:27 PM
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If I have it correctly connected around negative cable and if aittinfs on clamp are right am getting fluctuating readings that started at 24 and then went up and stayed around 0.382.
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Friday, December 15th, 2023 AT 6:20 AM
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One of the fuses if I pull it the amps drop from 52 to 23. It's a 7.5 amp with this reading.
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Friday, December 15th, 2023 AT 6:39 AM

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