Codes P0174, P2195, P2196 and P2197, very rough idle and weird noise after pressing gas pedal?

Tiny
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  • 2006 MERCURY MOUNTAINEER
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I have the vehicle listed above that has been sitting for about 3 years and was originally not being driven due to a problem with oil getting into air intake. I did some research, and the car does not have a PCV valve at all and oil was coming from valve cover hose to air intake, so I added an air/oil separator to try and get rid of the issue. Which seems to be working so far. Although now I am getting a few codes, and the engine is idling really rough and making weird noise after releasing gas pedal from accelerating. See video. I am also getting the following codes: p0174, p2195, p2196 and p2197.

Also, there is a negative vacuum coming from the oil filler cap, loud enough to hear when idling. I am thinking maybe due to the air/oil separator being installed?

I have added some fresh gasoline and Lucas oil fuel stabilizer since it has been sitting for about 2-3 years as well. Could it just be bad gasoline?
Monday, February 5th, 2024 AT 2:41 PM

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Tiny
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Videos attached.
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Monday, February 5th, 2024 AT 2:51 PM
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Thanks for the videos, that's a good one. I am going to put this link into our expert forum to see if anyone has seen this problem before. There is a PCV valve in the system which might be stuck open, or someone has removed it. Also let's do a compression test to see what the reading is, this will tell us if the engine is okay or not.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression

P0174 - System Too Lean (Bank 2):
P2195 - Oxygen Sensor Signal Stuck Lean (Bank 1 Sensor 1):
P2196 - Oxygen Sensor Signal Stuck Rich (Bank 1 Sensor 1):
P2197 - Oxygen Sensor Signal Stuck Lean (Bank 2 Sensor 1):

Check out the images (below). Please upload pictures or videos in your response to the problem so we can see what's going on.
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Tuesday, February 6th, 2024 AT 11:13 AM
Tiny
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The oil trap is not meant to delete the PCV system, the excessive vacuum at the oil filler is manifold vacuum pulling directly from the crankcase, and then in turn the valve cover hose the oil catch is on. Hence the lean exhaust codes, you shouldn't leave it like this, it's going to send the fuel trim numbers positive to compensate for the extra air. This vehicle does have some type of PCV system, service info lists 4 or 5 different ones. Some are thermal activated like Ken has service info posted on that. If you're getting excessive oil in the air intake tube, then you need to find the PCV valve or if someone else has removed it, it needs to be replaced. Positive crank pressure can be caused by worn piston rings as well.
These are the valve covers for the V8, it looks like the PCV valve might be part of the valve cover. But follow Kens suggestion of compression testing, if its low, add a teaspoon of oil to the cylinder and retest, if the compression comes up its a piston ring issue.
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Tuesday, February 6th, 2024 AT 1:42 PM
Tiny
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I have replaced the valve cover and added fresh gas with some Seafoam. I am still having the same issue, I think. At first it ran smoothly and drove good then after it warmed up it started acting up again. I was getting a p0174 code stating bank two is running lean again. I pulled off the throttle body and noticed fluid in the intake again, see photo. I am stuck, I am not sure how to proceed. Please help.
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Saturday, March 2nd, 2024 AT 12:05 PM
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Have you deleted the oil trap completely? I would take a look at the live engine data with your scan tool. Both of the front oxygen sensors (B1S1 and B2S1) should be fluctuating voltage from 0.2v to 0.8v at a pretty fast frequency. That is normal operation, if either of them is stuck at a low voltage, (below 0.450v (450mv), that's indicating either a vacuum leak or a bad sensor. With a vacuum leak, the condition will improve at higher rpms (2500 and up).

The Long Term and Short-Term Fuel trims will start to return closer to zero. Right now, with a lean code, the fuel trims are going to be a high positive number (for example +15-20%) (LTFT and STFT). Positive numbers mean the engine computer is adding 15-20% more fuel to compensate for the lean condition. If the numbers start going down at higher rpm you know its a vacuum leak. If they don't, then you need to see what the oxygen sensor voltages are at. If a bad sensor is flatline below 0.450v the ECM will continue to add fuel because of bad sensor data.

Another possibility is a leaking intake manifold gasket, you mentioned it got worse as it warmed up. Some intake leaks will get worse as the intake itself warms up and the leak size increases, because these are plastic intakes, they expand and cause leaks when hot.

So, the first thing to look at when the problem is occurring is the Oxygen sensor voltages for both Banks Sensor 1 (that's the front oxygen sensors) and the Long Term and Short-Term Fuel trims. Check them both at idle and at 2500rpm. And note the voltages and Fuel trim percentages.
In the diagram below is what the oxygen sensor voltage should be doing when operating correctly. If it's stuck low, that's what is setting your lean code for Bank 2.

Vacuum leaks are very common, for now I would concentrate on the lean condition, and not the oil you're seeing in the intake, a bad vacuum leak is going to lower intake manifold pressure and not pull as much on the PCV system. So figure out the issue that setting a code first, you may still end up with an Oxygen sensor code, because they will usually take a couple of drive cycles to set a code. More than one test drive. Read through the guides below as well.

The clue here is really what the fuel trims are at idle and 2500rpm. Thats what will determine if this is a vacuum leak or sensor issue.

I've added some service info on the PCV monitor (diagram 2) and on the P0174 code (diagram 3). They want you to verify there are no broken hoses or lines for the PCV system. And that they are secure and not leaking. If needed you should take it somewhere and have a shop run a smoke test on the intake manifold to check for any leaks, it's the most effective test.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/repair-lean-mixture-codes-p0171-or-p0174-on-some-manufacturers

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-an-engine-vacuum-gauge

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/7-common-symptoms-of-a-vacuum-leak-in-your-car-how-to
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Sunday, March 3rd, 2024 AT 11:45 AM
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