Overheating

Tiny
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Head gasket is checked and good. New radiator, water pump and thermostat. Two new coil banks, new plugs.

When the engine overheats, it throws coolant from the reservoir. Warning bells and messages come on: "engine hot, A/C disabled", "engine hot, idle engine" etc. The radiator is hot on passenger side as is the hose from the thermostat but radiator is cold on driver's side. Even though new, I'm thinking bad water pump not putting out enough flow or bad thermostat?
Friday, March 22nd, 2019 AT 10:11 PM

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Tiny
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Good morning,

How did you check the head gasket?

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/head-gasket-blown-test

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Saturday, March 23rd, 2019 AT 5:00 AM
Tiny
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Used a combustion tester and the liquid stayed blue.
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Saturday, March 23rd, 2019 AT 9:53 AM
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Okay, I would do another test.

I would do a leak down test. That is where you insert shop air into each cylinder one at a time and look for coolant movement in the radiator.

Chemical testing is not always accurate.

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Saturday, March 23rd, 2019 AT 9:57 AM
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Can you remove the radiator cap when the engine is cool, then start it up to see if tiny air bubbles are present? Also do you hear the cooling fan com on when the engine is overheating?

This guide can help:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-overheating-or-running-hot

Please run down this guide and report back.
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Saturday, March 23rd, 2019 AT 4:20 PM
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Checked cooling fans. The are running when the engine overheats - I checked this by getting out and listening or looking. Both fans will stay on when idling until the temperature gauge
goes down to normal then shut off - although sometimes the temperature will not go back down and the engine has to be shut off after idling for a while. The fans also stay on at high speed for five or ten minutes after shutting down the overheating engine. Cold air can be felt blowing.

Today I got a combustion block tester. I took the car for a drive and brought the temp up to normal. Used the tester at idle - fluid remained blue. Put the parking brake on and transmission in drive to bring the temp up above normal - fluid remained blue. When I shut down, the reservoir burped out hot fluid three or four times.

There is no residue on the oil filler cap or the reservoir cap.

With the engine at warm idle, there are no bubbles in the coolant reservoir as seen in your video. However, I do get burps of fluid when the reservoir is over full and the cap is off. I can squeeze the top rad hose easily and it feels like there are pebbles running thru it.

The engine runs smoothly with not even an occasional miss at a stop light. Purrs like a kitten at any speed and accelerates like a big-assed bird when I floor it - no hesitation.

Driving around town the temp will stay normal for a long but will eventually overheat if I drive long enough. Climbing hills brings the temperature up quickly.

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Sunday, March 24th, 2019 AT 3:54 PM
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I would still do the leak down test to confirm. I have never had good success with the chemical testing.

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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 3:05 AM
Tiny
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I do not have a shop or air.

Will take car to GM I guess.
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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 9:31 AM
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You can take it any shop and they can perform the proper testing for half the cost of a dealer.

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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 9:43 AM
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Oops, I forgot, it was done previously by a shop along with a coolant system pressure test - no leaks.
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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 9:59 AM
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When was it done? What test did he do?

Has it overheated since you had this test?

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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 10:02 AM
Tiny
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Has overheated before tests and every day since all these tests in the last ten days.

Mechanic did a fluid test (which I did again with no yellow), pressure tested the coolant system - no leaks. Pulled plugs and bore-scoped for coolant - none, added shop air with no air bubbles into coolant. Mechanic very frustrated that he can't solve problem.
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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 10:24 AM
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Okay, nobody has done the leak down test. It needs to be done. With the constant overheating, most likely you have damaged head gaskets.

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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 10:52 AM
Tiny
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To confirm the fans do come on? Also, I have seen a blown head gasket even though the chemical test does not pick it up. A chemical test is only about 75% accurate. Radiator, fan, water pump. If all are good it only leaves the head gasket.
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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 10:52 AM
Tiny
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I keep thinking head gasket too but there just is no evidence.

Top coolant hose is hard but maybe the implore is slipping on the water pump once the system is pressurized, thus the flow is not enough.

It's a mystery so off to GM - the same folks who put in a new gauge cluster last week when no one else could.
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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 11:08 AM
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Please let us know what they find.
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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 11:12 AM
Tiny
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I've heard aluminum heads disintegrate after a while due to steel contact, forget the term. Maybe?

Will advise. Thanks for your help.
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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 11:17 AM
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They get damaged for electrolosis. That is voltage in the cooling system from a bad ground somewhere.

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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 1:52 PM
Tiny
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If I need the heads replaced, who do you recommend for remanufactured heads? I'm in the Seattle area.
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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 3:31 PM
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There are many manufacturers. Jasper, ATK, REcon are among the most popular with good warranties.

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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 3:33 PM
Tiny
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Went surfing looking for other solutions. Found www. Thermalweld. Com.

Spoke to Robert who says his product will fix my problem. Have you had any experience with them?
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Monday, March 25th, 2019 AT 4:10 PM

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