It still wants to overheat?

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Both sides I think if not it was the driver's side.
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Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 AT 6:49 AM
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I do not know. Now my car won't even stay running it starts then shuts off right after not even 2 seconds.
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Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 AT 5:26 PM
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Hello TRAVIS BUTLER2,

Were you working on something just before that started happening?

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Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 AT 6:10 PM
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No, I was actually headed to Bonneville dam to go salmon fishing and it was like acting like it was wanting to shut off on the way to where I stopped at a gas station and went in to get something to drink before hitting the freeway and it just wouldn't start back up to stay running.
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Tuesday, September 12th, 2023 AT 8:44 PM
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Hello TRAVIS BUTLER2,

Sorry to hear that. There are several things that could cause this. So, I would start by checking a few simple things.

How is the air filter? A clogged air filter won't let the engine breathe. If it can breathe it can run.

I would open the air filter box and take a look and make sure the filter is clean if not replace it. Sometime animals will make nests in the air box as well, so check for like acorns or straw or anything and if it is there vacuum it out and change the filter.

If you are using something like a cold air intake. It is possible to damage the Mass Air Flow or MAF sensor because those filters usually use oil. If too much is applied after cleaning it can be sucked into the MAF coating it with oil and this will give the PCM the wrong amount of air entering the engine. So, it won't add the fuel necessary to run the vehicle.

Now, I haven't been fishing for about 20 years except for commercial fishing. But I know the best time to fish is usually when it rains. Was it raining there last night in your area? If so, it is possible water, got into something a shorted it out. If this is the case usually letting it dry completely will help.

It seems for now that you have sufficient spark from what I can tell but it may be getting starved of fuel.

When was the last time the fuel filter was changed? If you are not sure, they are pretty cheap so it may be worth switching out with a new one.

I have added an image of its location for you along with instructions on how to remove/replace it.

To do this, you will need to relieve fuel system pressure. This is pretty easy. There is a Schrader valve on the fuel rail. Looks like a tire valve mostly. And just like a tire valve, it will have a pin in it when you remove the cap. What I normally do is take a pic or something else pointy and wrap a rag around it. Then using that push on the valve and this will release the pressure in the system.

I would wear safety glasses because getting gas in your eye is not a pleasant experience.

Now there might be a correlation between the fan issue and the running issue as sometimes a bad PCM can cause both. However, the PCM is putting out that 5 volts we saw earlier when working on the ECT. Sometimes if a PCM is going you won't have that reference voltage. But we do so for right now I am hoping it is not that.

Has anything improved since last night? Can you get it to start and stay running?

If you feather the gas, can you keep it running?

Anything else you noticed or have tried?

Did you get gas before this started happening maybe earlier in the day or something?

Also, if my responses are too long, please let me know and I will send less more often. Sometimes I start typing and they get really long. But I am only trying to give as much information and help as I can, but if it is too long and not helping, please let me know.

Thank you,
Brendon
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Wednesday, September 13th, 2023 AT 10:25 AM
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Oh yes, I replaced the fuel filter about 8 months ago I did get fuel right before it started happening and if I feather the gas trying to start it, it still acts the same way I'm going to check the fuel pressure on the fuel rail see if the pump is working because I've never replaced that I know it's getting good spark because I just changed the spark plugs and the air filter is brand new as well.
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Wednesday, September 13th, 2023 AT 11:44 AM
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And no, it was not raining last night it's just the reason I was going fishing was because the salmon are stockpiling their Bonneville dam to the point where you could almost reach down and grab them.
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Wednesday, September 13th, 2023 AT 11:45 AM
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When you got the key on and hit the valve on the fuel rail shouldn't it continue to pump gas out if it's got a good fuel pump.
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Wednesday, September 13th, 2023 AT 12:11 PM
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Hey TRAVIS BUTLER2,

With the key on the fuel pump will run about 3 seconds and turn off. It should be between 50-60 PSI my information is telling me.

So, install the gauge and turn the key on and see what you get. Then just leave it and see if it holds the same pressure. You might have a variation of about 5 PSI when pump turns off, but it should stay constant after that.

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Wednesday, September 13th, 2023 AT 12:20 PM
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Hey TRAVIS BUTLER2,

If by hitting you mean pushing the valve in, not it will not continue to pump fuel through the valve. Also, just because there is fuel at that valve doesn't mean the fuel pressure is sufficient enough to run the engine.

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Wednesday, September 13th, 2023 AT 12:22 PM
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Hey TRAVIS BUTLER2,

Do you have a fuel pressure tester? If not, you can rent one from an auto parts store if someone could give you a ride. If not, you can get them on Amazon.

I found this one for you. It seems decent and comes as a kit, but it also has a bleed valve on it that some cheaper ones don't.

Here is the link:
https://www.amazon.com/BETOOLL-0-140PSI-Injector-Injection-Pressure/dp/B00VV29NHM/ref=asc_df_B00VV29NHM?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=80470559180558&hvnetw=o&hvqmt=e&hvbmt=be&hvdev=c&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584070137775968&th=1

I have never bought from this seller, but it looks like a good product and it's inexpensive. Definitely a good tool to have.

Also, I am adding a flow chart for Fuel System Diagnosis for you from my information. Let me know if you have any questions about it. It is designed for use with a scan tool and GM specialty tools, so some of the information is irrelevant.

I apologize it is in pieces. It is the only way I can send it unfortunately.

Also, that Salmon fishing sounds fun. I live in NY, so we don't have that here. Plenty of other fish but I wouldn't eat them. The water around here is just nasty looking unfortunately. Salmon is delicious though.

Hope this helps.

Let me know what you get for readings.

Thank you,
Brendon
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Wednesday, September 13th, 2023 AT 1:02 PM
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It was the fuel pump because it wasn't wanting to start I replaced it, I got it started.
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Thursday, September 14th, 2023 AT 10:03 PM
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Hello TRAVIS BUTLER2,

Okay. Good to hear. Glad it was something simple.

Have a good day.

Thank you,
Brendon
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Friday, September 15th, 2023 AT 6:44 AM
Tiny
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And starter went out but the electrical system was doing some weird stuff when we towed it home the flashers started sounding really fast not blinking on dash and speedometer and RPMs were going with the clicking of the flashers up to 5,000 RPMs and 55 MPH even stopped it did it for few minutes then went down then immediately back up it did it the hole way home but when you start it, it wants to do nothing but whine.
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Saturday, September 16th, 2023 AT 9:46 AM
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Hello TRAVIS BUTLER2,

Okay. Has the engine light been on at all?

The whine is probably the alternator. But don't go and replace it. It could be caused because there is a difference in "potential" or voltage between two points which being a 2005 might be a ground.

Did you hook up that stereo you and I spoke about in the other thread? If so, this may be causing an issue also. Was an adaptor used for the wiring?

What about an amp or anything else like that? Do you have anything else installed?

Also, the way you have the fans hooked up might be causing an issue too. Power might be going somewhere it shouldn't. I would unhook it from the battery for now and see if anything changes.

Thank you,
Brendon
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Saturday, September 16th, 2023 AT 11:36 AM
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The alternator was replaced about 8 months ago and no, I didn't change the stereo, but when I climb under and have someone turn the key it sounds like the starter. I've never changed the starter. No, the engine light hasn't come on once.
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Saturday, September 16th, 2023 AT 2:16 PM
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Hello TRAVIS BUTLER2,

Okay. You said when you start it, it wants to do nothing but whine. Do you mean it doesn't actually start it is just making a whining noise when you turn the key to the start position?

Thank you,
Brendon
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Saturday, September 16th, 2023 AT 3:09 PM
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Yes, that's what I'm saying; it will not start, all it does is whine sound like the solenoid off the starter isn't engaging.
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Saturday, September 16th, 2023 AT 3:23 PM
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Hello TRAVIS BUTLER2,

Okay. Thank you for clearing that up. You may be right, but it may not be receiving enough power to engage it fully, not that it is necessarily bad.

Let's test and see what we can find out.

Using your multimeter on volts dc, put red lead on purple wire on the solenoid and put black to the engine block in a clean spot near the starter for ground. Then have a friend turn the key to the start position and see if you are getting a full 12 volts on the thin purple wire.

Let me know what you get.

If it is binding you can tap the starter with a hammer. Try doing this while a friend is turning the key. If the solenoid is bad, then the hammer should work.

Thank you,
Brendon
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Saturday, September 16th, 2023 AT 4:05 PM
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We have tried the hammer thing it didn't do anything more than it was, but I can check the voltage, but it won't be today because I'm getting ready to pass kidney stones that are 4mm and I have a few of them.
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Saturday, September 16th, 2023 AT 6:32 PM

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