My starter is not cranking the engine over can you help me?

Tiny
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  • 1998 FORD F-150
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Everything appears to be normal when the key is inserted into the ignition switch tumbler. The door chime works when it should, the dome light comes on. When the switch is turned to the run position, all the dash lights come on, radio works, etc.

When the key is turned to the start position, there is one click, no crank, and everything electrical goes out. If electrical power comes back, it does so on its own schedule.

I had a Ford dealership test the (six month new) battery, and it is good. I jumped across the starter relay (on the passenger side firewall) - old and new - load terminals, and the same result - one click, no start, everything electrical goes out. This was done with the ignition switch on the "off" position.

I removed the starter, and had it bench tested - good. All positive and negative cable terminals/connectors were cleaned.

The truck has a new battery, new starter relay, starter and solenoid.

Am I missing something obvious, or is it PFM from one of the magic black boxes?
Wednesday, April 25th, 2018 AT 4:15 PM

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Tiny
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Look for the under-hood fuse box. There should be a fat red wire feeding it that is bolted to its terminal. Make sure that connection is clean and tight. There may also be a large fuse that is bolted in. Check that those bolts are tight.

These guides can help us fix it

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

and

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-load-test

Please run down these guides and report back.

Less commonly, the large terminal on the starter relay is used as a tie point for other circuits. Be sure that soft copper nut is tight. These are all common failures. Be careful with your tools that they never touch a terminal and the body sheet metal at the same time or you will see fireworks.
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Monday, May 31st, 2021 AT 11:14 AM
Tiny
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The wire feeding the under the hood fuse box has a clean and tight connection there. Not sure to which fuse you referred, but the two on the firewall are clean and tightly bolted. All the wires connected to the terminals on the starter relay (new) are clean and tight.
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Monday, May 31st, 2021 AT 11:14 AM
Tiny
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Your dandy observation of all the lights and other circuits going out is the symptom, but I am pretty sure the cause lies in the high-current battery cables and connections. Activating the starter makes it try to draw its really high current, and that makes the bad connection show up.

Turn the head lights on so you have something to watch. If it is as you described, they will go off when you try to crank the engine. Now, with the defect acting up, use a test light grounded to the battery's negative cable, and probe where the large cable bolts to the under-hood fuse box. (Head lights have not come back on yet). If you find low or no voltage at the fuse box, there is a break in that circuit. The diagram shows a large 175 amp fuse mounted separately outside that fuse box, so that is another location to find a bad connection. Also, to be accurate, this test is including the mechanical connection between the battery's negative post and that cable clamp too, so if you find 0 volts at the fuse box, move the meter's negative probe from the negative cable clamp and hold it right on the battery's negative post. We are looking for the first place, as you move further from the battery, where voltage drops significantly.

If you do have full battery voltage at the fuse box, move the meter's negative probe from the battery cable to a paint-free point on the body. Now, if you find low or no voltage, that smaller negative battery wire has a break in it. This is a less-likely suspect because it handles all the current for the rest of the truck except the starter circuit, and it appears to be the starter circuit that initiating the problem.

This type of test is only accurate and valid when current is trying to flow through the circuit. That is why you must leave the head lights turned on. This is like putting two pressure gauges a half inch apart on a garden hose. Obviously they should read the same pressure, but what if they do not? If there is a restriction between the two gauges, they still read the same, until you try to run water through that restriction. That is when the different pressures will show up, and it is those different pressures that show the location of the restriction/bad connection.
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Monday, May 31st, 2021 AT 11:14 AM
Tiny
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I just checked both 175A fuses on the firewall (one for all the electrical loads, except the starter, and the other to the alternator), and they are clean and tight. As long as the weather eases up, I will recreate the fault, and check the circuit as you suggested above, tomorrow.

Thanks for what y’all do here.
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Monday, May 31st, 2021 AT 11:14 AM
Tiny
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Hello,

To me it sounds like you need a new positive battery cable which can be internally corroded. Here is a guide to help you see what I am talking about:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/everything-goes-dead-when-engine-is-cranked

Please run down this guide and report back.

Cheers, Ken
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