Oil leaking into cold air intake?

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I have the vehicle listed above xl Denali. The short version of the problem is I have oil coming from the passenger side valve cover "PCV" port that attaches to the cold air intake. So, oil drains into the tube and gets sucked into the intake manifold and then into the engine. I've replaced everything. Didn't do this. I took the heads off and put new lifters and push roads and rocker arms and when I put the head back together and the problem started. Just took the heads off again and put it back together and still same issue. If I cap that hose no oil comes out into the intake. I don't know that to do.
Thursday, June 8th, 2023 AT 6:06 PM

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Tiny
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Hello BBOYLILROB,

I wonder if there is a clogged oil passage or oil pressure is too high and oil is building up in the head.

What are you running for oil pressure? Are you using a performance oil pump?

Also, on the valve cover there is a baffle. It's possible it got clogged behind it or the weep hole on it is clogged and the oil can't leave fast enough.

Here is a video from an engine builder. It is on oil consumption, PCV system fail, but I think he has a good point. It might be worth removing the valve cover and make sure it can drain properly.

Here is the link:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=CePGNsAkcYQ&feature=share

Let me know what you find. I am going to keep looking on my end to see what else I can find for you.

Thank you,
Brendon
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 5:40 AM
Tiny
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Brand new valve cover. The oil pump was changed but years ago and it worked fine up until the head tear down, I changed lifters, rocker arms and push roads and the oil pressure on the vehicle is normal. When running normally or idling it doesn't have a problem but when it's under hard load such as a flooring it off the line or specially towing hours through oil like crazy. Last time I towed a gallon and half in an hour.
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 6:58 AM
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Hello BBOYLILROB,

Wow, that's a lot of oil.

So, you bought a new valve cover I am assuming and installed it the first time you did rocker arms and pushrods and lifters? Is that right?

Where did you get the valve cover from? You got a part number I would like to take a look at it.

Did you change anything in the valve train or just replace stock components?

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Brendon
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 8:54 AM
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I just replaced it with a new valve cover a few days ago after I confirmed the oil is coming from the tube that connects the valve cover to the intake manifold. I had the old valve cover and thought maybe something could be clogged but I still having the same issue. I replaced everything the first tear down but the valve seals I got lazy and didn't change, so the second tear down I replaced the valve seals and the springs. All OEM parts. The only thing original at this point is the valves and the valve locks/keepers and the head itself. The only thing I can think of is under load the oil that sprays out of the push roads/rocker arms hits the hole in that shield of the valve cover and doesn't drain fast enough even though it has the upgraded valve cover that has more holes. Maybe drill more holes so it drains faster?
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 9:08 AM
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Hello BBOYLILROB,

That is what I was thinking as well. Especially under load you are at a higher RPM so the valve train would be throwing a lot more oil at it. That video I sent, the guy did just that. He drilled extra holes in that baffle on the valve cover so it would drain better.

On my Suburban, my PCV valve is on the driver's side cover by the fire wall. I have the LQ9 in mine. My information is telling me your engine, the L92 should have it on the driver's side as well. Is it just a tube on the passenger side? No valve? Is the valve actually on the driver's side? I will add a picture for you from my information. It is possible it's the wrong image. Let me know what you see.

If you take out the PCV Valve and shake it, can you here it rattling? It might be worth trying to throw a new one in there if it is questionable.

My thought is If the valve is on the driver's side, and it is clogged it could cause blow-by to build up and force oil through that tube one the passenger's side and into the intake since it will only have the one outlet instead of one on each valve cover.

Let me know what you find.

Thank you,
Brendon
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 10:33 AM
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These cars don't have replacement PCV valves. I don't think they actually have PCV valves at all. The driver side has that tube pictured in what you sent, the driver side also has a brand-new valve cover and a new tube (what you have highlighted in yellow) and that tube connects to the top of the intake manifold. I had an oil catch can installed on that side and I never saw much if almost any oil in the catch can. The passenger side which I'm having the issue with connects the valve cover to the cold air intake tube. The oil comes from the connecting tune up the air intake tube and gets sucked into the intake manifold and then the engine.
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 10:40 AM
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Hello BBOYLILROB,

Looks like there might be one p/n 12567915 they are calling it a fitting, but I found something that said it had a ball bearing in it. But either way the cover is brand new so that's out as a possibility.

It shouldn't be the covers since it is only happening on one side, say if it were a redesign or something to the baffle. Unless there is something different between the covers. However, you didn't replace the covers until the second time you took it apart prior to that the valve train was already replaced and you were already having this issue but running the old covers. So that's out too.

Could possibly be a clogged oil passage. I would remove the valve cover and pour some oil in there and make sure it is able to drain properly. Let me know if you find anything.

For now, I am going to ask another expert and see if they have any ideas as well as look at a few things and see what I can come up with for you.

Thank you,
Brendon
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 11:52 AM
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I'm a truck driver so I'll be back home in 2 days. Is there a way to get a diagram for the oil passages? Because I honestly don't know where it's supposed to drain down. I have the old cover which by now I can assume was working the way it should so I'm going to drill holes in it and put it back to see if that helps with oil draining down. Maybe rig a little cover for the hole in that shield so the oil can't go directly inside the deflector shield. A deflector for the deflector if you will.
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 12:19 PM
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My buddy's though was oil not draining as well, my logic thought though it's the exit tube that connects to the air intake tube is on the high side of the valve cover, basically the whole entire upper area of the head and valve cover would have to be completely full of oil in order for the oil to come out in that way, being V8 the 6 quarts it takes to fill the engine would be needed and probably more to fill up that cavity that means that the engine would be completely starved of oil, my oil sensor always marks oil. Also, that means that after losing one quart the engine would be starved of oil and no more oil would come out of the tube because it wouldn't reach. But it's gotten down 3+quarts before and still spilled oil. At the beginning it got so low in oil the oil lamp came on. So, it can't be failing to drain because the engine just doesn't have enough volume of oil to reach the tube and still function and still drop 3 quarts out.
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 12:29 PM
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Hello BBOYLILROB,

Okay, that's no problem. I have been looking all day for a diagram and been looking at pictures of heads trying to find where it drains. As soon as I find one, I will send it to you.

I did find something interesting though. According to my information, air is sucked through that hose into the right rocker cover via that formed hose. To reduce potential oil pullover into the throttle bore due to backflow of the ventilation system, the right rocker arm cover is shielded, that baffle, from the rocker arms. From there fresh air and gases are routed through the crankcase and up the opposite rocker arm cover where the PCV is located. Gases are then routed through a hose to the intake manifold.

So, there might be something affecting that process. Maybe vacuum. Vacuum does get lower as engine speed increases so that would make sense that it would happen more when under load like towing or WOT. I would measure vacuum using that hose coming out of the driver's side rocker cover to the intake and see what you get for a reading. If there isn't enough vacuum or it isn't pulling it around the engine for some reason the intake would end up sucking air from the hose instead of providing it and the oil along with it.

Maybe it wasn't doing it before because the parts were old, so oil was restricted.

Here is a video about oil passages I found. It's really good, has a lot of good information in it:
https://youtu.be/RxhG8wIBkEA

Let me take a look and see what other information I can get for you. I will add the whole explanation of the system from my reference information for you. Let me take a look and see if I can get a spec for you too.

Thank you,
Brendon
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 1:02 PM
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I just realized the first video you sent me; my buddy also sent me a few days back. Is there a possibility that I could have put the head gasket wrong somehow both times? Everything else works perfectly but this weird oil leak thing so in your opinion is there any way the head gasket isn't on right. Like the one that should have been on the left side on the right side of flipped around or something where it fits but this is the only problem it causes?
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 1:37 PM
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Hello BBOYLILROB,

Let me take a look at the mating surfaces and the gaskets and see. I know on the sbc it was possible to put it on wrong, but I think it blocked a coolant passage. But since these engines are all the same basic design, I would say it is possible. Let me take a look for you.

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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 1:49 PM
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Hello BBOYLILROB,

So, the head is symmetrical, but the gasket can only go on one way. I added a picture of the head gasket from Fel-Pro. I don't know if you can see it on the gasket, but it says "front", but it looks like it would block off coolant passages. So thankfully I don't think that's the issue otherwise it would be overheating.

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Brendon
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 2:13 PM
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Engine temperature goes right up to the middle where it has always been since I bought it. This car is such a pain. I mean 140,000 miles and with new lifters and stuff engine sounds brand new, no knocks or anything. Tows 8000 pounds plus no problem just need it to stop spitting oil.
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 2:31 PM
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Hello BBOYLILROB,

Yes, I understand. It's frustrating. I go through it with mine too. I think the best thing to do is to make sure the hose on the driver's side of the engine is able to pull air through it and make sure it isn't kinked. That way we know we are pulling gases up from the crankcase because if it isn't the intake is going to pull air out of the passenger side and oil with it. If you have a scan tool I would check and see if it's running a little lean from an intake leak causing a low vacuum situation.

There is a Technical Service Bulletin (TSB) for oil leaks from the rear main seal. While the TSB doesn't say anything about an intake leak it mentions the PCV system and a vented oil filler cap replacement. Part number is 12589430. Maybe it will help.

Thank you,
Brendon
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 2:53 PM
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You are going to laugh but the driver side valve cover and the tube that connects the valve PVC to the top of the intake manifold are brand new also. The valve cover has less than 100 miles on it and the tube that hooks them together has about 5 miles on it. The only thing that I could check that isn't clogged is the plastic entrance at the top of the intake manifold I'm sending picture of it.
That's where it connects, and the intake manifold is still original from the car.
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 3:11 PM
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Hello BBOYLILROB,

Lol. Well, that's good, at least we know that's good too. It might be worthwhile to check the port though.

I found another TSB on oil consumption. I want to see if the part numbers you got are the updated ones.

Do you have the part number for the valve covers you bought?

Thank you,
Brendon
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 3:24 PM
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The passenger side I know says 2009+ but the covers are identical except the oil spout is actually different. The driver side is supposed to be the updated part per some bulletin.
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 3:30 PM
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Hello BBOYLILROB,

Do they both have a baffle in it that looks like the one in the image?

Thank you,
Brendon
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 3:44 PM
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Yeah the one with baffles are the upgraded version per some bulletin.
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Friday, June 9th, 2023 AT 3:57 PM

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