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Tiny
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I'm getting 12 volts to coil when turning ignition to start, when I test leads without it hooked to coil I also get 12v but when I hook it up to coil it goes down to 1.5-2.3. Also am I supposed to get 12 volts from positive terminal to both leads on coil.
Friday, February 11th, 2022 AT 6:22 AM

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Tiny
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I also put new coil in and no difference.
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Friday, February 11th, 2022 AT 6:23 AM
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Hi,

Because of the model year, I have no schematics to work with. So, I have a few questions. First, I believe in 1973 you have a single coil and points and condenser in the distributor. Is that correct?

If you lose that much power with the coil connected, it could be due to an internal short in the distributor, or the wiring to it can have a faulty connection or is broken internally (under the insulation).

When you connect it and it drops, wiggle the wire supplying the power to see if the voltage is consistent or if it fluctuates.

If it doesn't change, we need to confirm there isn't an internal short in the coil. You will need a digital multi-meter (DMM). To check it:

1) Disconnect all wires to the coil.

2) Turn the DMM to ohms to identify resistance.

Primary Resistance Check

3) Primary Resistance check: Touch the red DMM terminal to the + side of the coil and the black terminal to the - side of the coil.

4) Expected Resistance: Many manufacturers indicate variations in the acceptable range, but in most cases, resistance will fall between 0.4 and 2.0 Ohms.

Secondary Resistance Check

5) With the coil still disconnected, place the DMM red terminal on the + side of the coil.

6) Place the DMM black terminal to where the coil wire would go (coil tower).

7) Expected Resistance: Many manufacturers indicate variations considered in the acceptable range. However, in most cases, resistance will fall between 6K and 15K Ohms.

I tried to draw a couple of pics below to help identify where the wiring goes from the DMM.

If the readings are far from what I indicated, I suspect the coil is shorted internally and needs to be replaced.

Let me know if this helps.

Take care,

Joe

See pics below.
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Friday, February 11th, 2022 AT 5:24 PM
Tiny
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Hi, thanks for your response, yes to all the above. Plus, I’m getting resistance as well. I ordered a Pertronix electronic ignition with flame thrower because I just wanted to make as new as possible, I am getting voltage when turning key so module wouldn’t be it correct?
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Monday, February 14th, 2022 AT 12:22 PM
Tiny
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I have ignition kit coming in soon, so maybe that can rule out coil, distributor situation?
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Monday, February 14th, 2022 AT 12:29 PM
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Hi,

I suspect power comes from the ignition switch on this model year. I don't have schematics to confirm that.

Let me know if the kit you purchased makes a difference.

Take care,

Joe
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Monday, February 14th, 2022 AT 2:48 PM
Tiny
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Yes, power comes from ignition switch and when the key is turned a present 12v voltage is present. So, I'm assuming module and ignition switch is, okay.
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Tuesday, February 15th, 2022 AT 5:15 AM
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Hi,

That would be a good indication that the switch is good. The module is a different issue. Something as simple as a failed ground can be causing issues.

Let me know how it turns out for you. Also, let me know if I can help in any way.

Take care,

Joe
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Tuesday, February 15th, 2022 AT 3:31 PM
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Hi Joe,

I'm still not getting any spark, is there a way to test the module? I put in a new Pertronix kit and flame thrower which I wanted do regardless of spark but now that everything is complete no spark. Any idea where to go from here sir?
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Sunday, February 27th, 2022 AT 8:33 AM
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Hi,

Because of the model year, I don't have the diagnostics for the module. I'm somewhat embarrassed to ask, but does the vehicle still have points? I believe the kit you added should eliminate them, but on the other hand, the vehicle would have come with points and a condenser. Sorry, it's been a long time since I dealt with one of these.

Let me know as much as you can.

Joe
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Sunday, February 27th, 2022 AT 7:25 PM
Tiny
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Hi Joe,

So took a minute dealing with some health stuff, ugh. But back at it. I measure resistance from red to black and fell to 0, measurement from top coil did read 10,000. Do you think coil is bad sir?
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Tuesday, June 28th, 2022 AT 11:04 AM
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Hi,

Welcome back. If you are getting 0 Ohms between the positive and negative sides of the coil, it does sound bad. It should be between 0.4 and 2.0 Ohms.

Do you have a coil you could switch it with just to try?

Joe
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Tuesday, June 28th, 2022 AT 7:16 PM
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Hi and Thanks. So, I tested the coil wrong. I had the meter on 20k testing between pos/neg instead of 200k. I have two and both tested fine. I did however check the plug wires and coil wire tip was broken inside distributor cap. I’m getting new wires today. Do you know the correct way to hook up Pertronix ignition? I’m going direct positive to red and black to neg and using red/black from ignition switch to positive coil. They say this connection should work and no other wires or connections are needed. Any idea?
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Wednesday, June 29th, 2022 AT 2:44 AM
Tiny
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So, I got new wires and still no spark from coil. Ugh, lol
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Wednesday, June 29th, 2022 AT 8:07 AM
Tiny
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I'm not sure if I'm hooking it up correctly.
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Wednesday, June 29th, 2022 AT 8:07 AM
Tiny
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Okay, I just hooked up I believe correctly, but no spark out spark plugs now. Lol
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Wednesday, June 29th, 2022 AT 9:09 AM
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Hi,

It sounds like I have luck as I do. As far as the coil is concerned, it should be hooked up like any other coil. I have no schematics to reference, so is it possible for you to take a few pics of what you are dealing with and upload the for me to see? Also, does this vehicle still have points and a condenser in the distributor?

Let me know.

Joe
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Thursday, June 30th, 2022 AT 7:31 PM
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Hello Joe,

So, I'm getting spark now, gas is running to engine because I can see it coming through main hose to front injection but it's only running a few seconds only when I put gas in carb then shuts off. Any idea sir?
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Tuesday, August 23rd, 2022 AT 1:48 PM
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I poured a lot of gas in carb and it runs at least 30 seconds and shuts off, I can hit gas and it sounds smooth but shuts off, lol.
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Tuesday, August 23rd, 2022 AT 3:48 PM
Tiny
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Think injectors might be clogged?
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Tuesday, August 23rd, 2022 AT 3:48 PM
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Hi,

Because of the model year, I'm having issues finding the info we need. However, what I do suggest is to check the fuel pressure and also confirm the fuel injectors are getting power and a ground path.

If they are getting power and have the correct fuel pressure, take a look through this link. It explains how to test an injector.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-a-fuel-injector

Let me know.

Joe
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Tuesday, August 23rd, 2022 AT 7:28 PM

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