No current to coil pack

Tiny
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  • 2004 HYUNDAI SANTA FE
  • 2.7L
  • 17,000 MILES
My mechanic said on one of the connections to the coil is no spark to it and that when he connect the electrical connection no current is going to the number one post on the coil pack.
Friday, July 5th, 2019 AT 7:33 PM

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Tiny
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Welcome to 2CarPros.

First, I need you to explain if the vehicle is running with a misfire or not running at all. Next, I need ECU 1 fuse is good. See picture 1

Here are a few links to help with checking the fuse:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-a-car-fuse-works

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-fuse

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-test-light-circuit-tester

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-use-a-voltmeter

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

Next, if you look at picture 2, it shows the wiring to the coils and how and where they attach to the engine control module (ECM). The green wire on the left is what runs to the fuse I want checked. Now, if the fuse is good and only one of the wires going to the ECM is not showing power, he needs to check at the ECM to see if there is a connection issue, corrosion, or a damaged wire. If power is at the ECM for the coil in question, then there is a break between the ECM and the coil. If there is no signal at the ECM, suspect ECM failure.

Let me know what you find or if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe
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Friday, July 5th, 2019 AT 9:43 PM
Tiny
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That is very helpful as there is current to all but 1 plug. And I replaced the coil pack. And it is or has been showing on scanner random misfire the wires I changed the plugs are new from the dealer I replaced the MAF, EGR, TPS all of the sensors except the crank which I have also it had a p0058 that I replaced both before and after on bank 2, but it continued to show trouble code after it erased it. So I will check the ECM fuse 10 amp. I also checked the ECM inside and out. No burnt spots are corrosion or broken connections inside the ECM. The car start and runs but has a misfire condition. On cylinder 2, 4, 6 and when number one are p0301 code came up it was bucking and stalling.
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Saturday, July 6th, 2019 AT 1:53 AM
Tiny
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Welcome back:

So you have a misfire on the other cylinders too? The P0301 is for sure cyl 1. However, if there is a coil issue, I believe cylinders 1 and 4 work from the same coil pack, so you should see a misfire on both Is that the case?

Do me a favor. I need you to confirm the coil is good. Here are the directions for testing it. The two attached pics below correlate with the directions.

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INSPECT IGNITION COIL

pic 1

1. Measurement of the primary coil resistance Measure the resistance between connector terminals 1 and 2 (the coils at the No.3 and No.6 cylinder sides) of the ignition coil, and between terminals 2 and 4 (the coils at the No.1 and No.4 cylinder sides), and between terminals 2 and 3 (the coils at the No.2 and No.5 cylinder sides).

Standard value: 0.74 ± 10% (Ohm)

pic 2

2. Measurement of the secondary coil resistance Measure the resistance between the high-voltage terminal for the No.3 and No.6 cylinders, between the high-voltage terminals for the No.1 and No.4 cylinders and between the high-voltage terminals for the No.2 and No.5 cylinders.

Standard value: 13.3 ± 15% (K Ohm)

CAUTION: When measuring the resistance of the secondary coil, be sure to disconnect the connector of the ignition coil.

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Next, of you are not getting a trigger signal from the ECM, I need you to check the pin at the ecm to confirm one isn't being sent. We may have a wire issue. If there is no trigger signal to at the ECM and the crank sensor is good, you may have a solder joint in the ECM.

DTC P0058 O2 Sensor Heater Circuit High Input (Bank2, Sensor2). Is that what was replaced? The O2 sensors?

Now, do you have a live data scanner? If so, I need you to connect it and watch the rpm signal to see if there are any crazy variations. If there are, replace the crankshaft position sensor. Here is a general link that shows how one is replaced.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/symptoms-of-a-bad-crankshaft-sensor

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/crankshaft-angle-sensor-replacement

Picture 3 shows the sensor's position.

Let me know.

Joe

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Saturday, July 6th, 2019 AT 6:25 PM
Tiny
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The shop is closed today but I will be testing it Monday I bought a crank sensor and will be installing it as well. The coil pack on the car is new but it cleared up no trouble code for about two weeks the check engine light showed that the 02 sensor behind the catalytic converter was faulty so I replaced it to but after about a mile of driving it the check engine light came back on. Then the car started the misfire codes again.
There is another code that came up has to do with the engine transmission ratio being off. But that code cleared from the computer. Also when the car stalled out it would barely go 30 mph once I turned of the engine and restarted it it ran normal.
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Saturday, July 6th, 2019 AT 6:47 PM
Tiny
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It very possibly could be related to the crank sensor. Heat plays a role when they start to fail. Let me know what you find both with the sensor, the coil, and the wiring to the coil. Even though it is new, it could be bad.

Let me know.

Joe
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Saturday, July 6th, 2019 AT 7:58 PM

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