Intermittent left rear ABS sensor not sending signal?

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Hi,

Check the connectors at the ABS module. Make sure there is nothing that could be causing an intermittent condition. Also, let me know what code you find.

Take care,

joe
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Monday, June 19th, 2023 AT 8:50 PM
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Thermostat rationality code.
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Tuesday, June 20th, 2023 AT 7:24 AM
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Hi,

Okay, I was hoping it would be something that in some way affected the ABS.

Regardless, let me know.

Joe
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Tuesday, June 20th, 2023 AT 8:31 PM
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That is a common code on Chryslers of that vintage Seems like 2010 up to about 2018 have thermostat issues, the usual problem is that they stick open just enough that the engine doesn't warm up fast enough.
That won't affect the ABS though. As for the glitch in the video, does that also appear off camera? I've seen some really strange things when video capturing the PWM dash displays in vehicles. If you see it in person, then it may be an issue. As for the ABS issue, I would go to the unit itself. Unplug it and use a tool to release the wires for both rear sensors. Now swap them so that the right side (without a problem) is connected to the right and the left side is connected to the right side. Because you didn't have an issue on the right side before this swap right at the module would tell you for sure if it's the module or wiring. My earlier reply shows both sensors and the wires for them. The other option would be to use a scope and see what the actual signal from the sensor is doing.
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Tuesday, June 20th, 2023 AT 10:09 PM
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Steve,

Yes, there is a "glitch" on the dash. But it is accompanied by a dinging when the rear park sensors are "off". This is new, it was just dinging 1 time and then telling me the sensors are off. It only has done this off/on "glitch" 2 times.

Should I replace the thermostat?

I have another appointment with my local dealer on Monday. I have all the history and videos to show them. Hoping they can figure it out.
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Thursday, June 22nd, 2023 AT 3:36 PM
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He didn’t tell me what color wire he fixed.
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Thursday, June 22nd, 2023 AT 6:44 PM
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Replace the thermostat and bleed the system will take care of that code normally. The double tones may be to tell you that the sensors are off and that there is a code stored. Hard to say if the rear sensors are related to the other problems or if it's a typical bad sensor. A quick check on the sensors is to listen to them. Block a wheel, turn the key on and put the truck in reverse to be sure they are on. Now go back and listen at each one, they will make a faint clicking if they are working, if all but one is clicking it's a bad sensor, if none are clicking it's more likely the module that controls them.
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Thursday, June 22nd, 2023 AT 10:34 PM
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I’ve flushed my heater core and replaced the coolant but struggled some to bleed it. Is there a link to a process? I have a closed system.
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Friday, June 23rd, 2023 AT 3:29 AM
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The OE method is to use a vac-u-fill to pull the air out and fill it. What you might try would be to fill it, then rev the engine a bit and let it warm up. Then once it warms up let it cool off. Top it up and repeat. It may take a few runs to get all the air out.
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Friday, June 23rd, 2023 AT 9:32 AM
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Due to rain, I have been unable to try any of the evaluations you have recommended. I have tendered my truck to my local dealer to hopefully complete these repairs.
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Saturday, June 24th, 2023 AT 4:18 PM
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Please let us know what they find.
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Saturday, June 24th, 2023 AT 7:54 PM
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Update:

1) Thermostat replaced and no further problems

2) Right taillight and back up light - found the "repaired" wire which the dealer stated was only taped and not repaired. Repaired this broken wire free of charge and taillight works as does back up light. On a side note, the original call back about the backup light was that "I needed a new bulb" and I had to correct them that I checked the bulb, and it was intact.

3) Rear Park sensors - those intermittent warnings have resolved once the above wire was repaired.

4) ABS sensor - through their testing the line, the sensor, driving, watching the active and stored codes they believe I have to replace my rear axle housing as this will give me a new bolt hole to secure the sensor. They state the sensor is not secure nor square with the speed ring and thus the bumps cause erratic reading and codes. They found no HCU or ABS module codes. This is a quoted $4500 repair on an 8-year-old truck with 129,000 miles.

My response is to have them check the original sensor I had in when this all began, I still have this sensor. If it is good, I believe I'll take a chance and still change the HCU and ABS module. I am basing this on all the reports I have read on talk forums with trucks just like mine having the same issue => no HCU/ABS codes, many sensor changes, new line run to the sensor, and no fix until these modules are changed. I realize it is a risk but I believe its a better risk as I cannot get the dealer to guarantee their recommendation will be the fix.

Any and all thoughts are welcome. I am ignorant but trying to assimilate all the information I am getting.
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Wednesday, June 28th, 2023 AT 4:46 PM
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The ABS sensor hole thing doesn't really make sense, if that was the issue why hasn't it been a problem until now? I know rust jacking can be a problem on them but for that you stuff a plug in the hole and use a coarse file to remove the rust and smooth them up. Then you use a T plug that just slips into the hole to verify that the surface is at a right angle and in line to the tone ring. Easy enough to check that out using a simple method, Take a wood dowel that fits in the sensor hole, put marker on the end of it and insert it into the hole, now rotate the axle and push the dowel in to scrub the end on the ring, pull it out and see what is going on. Also feel the dowel as the axle rotates, it should stay at the same distance as the ring rotates, if you can feel it moving up and down like the ring isn't actually round then you might need to replace some parts but not the housing.
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Wednesday, June 28th, 2023 AT 10:39 PM
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It's not the sensor hole, it's the bolt hole. They think since it's "off" it makes the sensor sit crooked and move in the sensor hole.
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Thursday, June 29th, 2023 AT 5:48 AM
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Still the same thing as above. The sensor centers itself in the hole and the bolt isn't going to move it around. Easy way to tell, remove the bolt, does the sensor suddenly move around? Try the test above. I would actually be more concerned about a cracked reluctor than the bolt hole, especially when this wasn't an issue for many years, not like you went out and re-machined the housing in the meantime. Still the easiest way to tell would be to put a scope on it and watch the signal. It would show alignment of reluctor failure within about 30 seconds.
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Thursday, June 29th, 2023 AT 6:36 PM
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Steve, exactly my thoughts but I don’t have the experience to be confident.

I’ve decided I’m going to replace the HCU and ABS module and see what happens.
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Thursday, June 29th, 2023 AT 7:05 PM
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Please keep us in the loop.
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Saturday, July 1st, 2023 AT 4:48 PM
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So, I had the dealer check the original Mopar sensor thinking if it worked well then, the original intermittent signal was not from the sensor. They told me the original sensor didn't give signal and as such didn't work. So, I was back to wondering which repair to perform. I decided to replace the ABS module and HCU. My buddy and I could do this and see what happens. I bought the parts yesterday and a scanner from AutoZone that could bleed the ABS. I drove 1.5 hours to my buddy's shop, and we got started. Now, he is a heavy equipment mechanic working on dozers, skidders, loaders, etc, mainly John Deere. We decided to start over, and he called his Snap-On rep who used to be a Mopar mechanic. He told us the problem was the line rubs through somewhere and to run a new line. It is a twisted pair, and my buddy should know how to do this secondary to his experience with John Deere. We decided to check the line to confirm. We put the reader on it and line 41 showed 3.7 ohms/milliohms and line 42 showed 25. My buddy laughed at all the trouble I've had for 3 months. Now, to back up, this confirms what my neighbor and I found early in the process when we couldn't get continuity on line 42 but could on 41. We got confused when we broke the line at the 12-pin connector and had good continuity on each segment of line when they were broken at the connector. So, my buddy twisted a new run, and we spliced it in. All dash lights off. I drove the truck the 1.5 hours home, hitting holes and sparing no speed/line to ensure the truck bounced around. I had no problems. I ran the cruise control, in and out of 4wd and 4 low. Today I went to our favorite swimming hole down a rough logging road and had no problems. Had to use 4wd even. So, a new line seems to have fixed it.

I asked the dealer if they had tested this line and they said yes.

My rear sensor problem and right taillight out warning showed up again after we completed the repair. I tackled this this morning as I had noted the repair by the dealer just before the large connector at the back of the front wheel well yesterday. What I found was one of the locking tabs on that connector was broken. This didn't allow the connection to seat or be square once the lock was engaged. I ensured the connection was in and square and locked. Then I zip tied the top and bottom of the connector careful not to pinch any wires. This alleviated the taillight and rear park sensor problem. I went to my local shop, where I get my tires as well, and they cleared all the stored codes.

So, I believe I have all my problems resolved. I now know more about testing 12-volt connections.

Thank you for all your advice and direction.
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Saturday, July 1st, 2023 AT 5:24 PM
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Sounds like you got it done. Good job. If the dealership had actually used a scan tool or scope in original testing they should have found the bad wire. That was one of the early tests I mentioned because it's a common issue for failed wires and bad grounds on Chryslers. Has been for 30 years. But you got it fixed.
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Saturday, July 1st, 2023 AT 9:34 PM

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