Idles very rough and turns off

Tiny
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  • 1998 BUICK RIVIERA
  • 3.8L
  • V6
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 134,000 MILES
Installed Yella Terra Roller Rocker Arms with a 1.9 ratio. The stock rocker arms are 1.6 ratio. I followed the instructions as best I could, torquing the rocker bolts to 25 ft lbs. Also the new pushrods are 7.3", and are 1/4" longer than stock, which is meant to compensate for the higher ratio. As soon as I turned it on, it immediately idled very rough, erratic and loud. I turned it off after like 5 seconds. I turned it on again, but this time it turned off on its own after like 3 seconds, and it made a loud grinding noise. After that I didn't try to turn it on again. The only odd thing I noticed after installing them, was that the bottom of the rocker arms, right below the pivot was sitting tightly on the new pedastal plate, whereas the stock rockers do not contact the pedastal plate below the pivot. The instructions did mention that some spacing shims might be needed between the rocker arm, and where it bolts into the head, but they didn't come in the box. Everything else is stock as far as internals go. Once I torqued the rocker arms, I was able to freely spin each pushrod, but they didn't have any up and down movement. Need to know if this is normal when installing aftermarket high ratio rockers, or if I might have done something wrong. Thanks.
Saturday, November 9th, 2019 AT 1:10 PM

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Tiny
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Hello,

1.6 to 1.9 is a huge jump and you mentioned you used a 1/4 inch longer push rod to compensate for the ratio change. The problem with that is that a longer push rod will increase the valve lift not compensate for it. Also it is very common to change valve springs when you increase the rocker ratio with a spring that has narrower coils. If you don't you will get coil bind where you crush the coils together because there isn't enough clearance.

If I were to guess I would say you probably wiped the cam from the valves binding up on the springs. That is the grinding noise you hear. I also don't know what procedure you use to adjust the rockers, but if you over tighten the rockers you will wipe the cam as well.

At this point I would suggest pulling the intake and yank some lifters and see what the rollers look like. If they are all torn up then you will probably need a new cam too.

Let me know what you find out.

Rich.
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Saturday, November 9th, 2019 AT 8:36 PM
Tiny
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I did replace the valve springs in preparation for the rockers. I put LS6 #90 springs, which according to Intense Racing, is the proper pressure. Also the rockers are non adjustable. The torque for the rocker bolts is 25 ft lbs, which ia what I used. I'm going to pull them off and replace with the stock ones, and see if there's any difference. I'm thinking that since the bottom of the rocker pivots are touching the pedastal plate, that's the grinding I heard. At least I hope so. I'll post what I find.
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Saturday, November 9th, 2019 AT 9:30 PM
Tiny
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I put the stock rockers back on, and turned it on again and it runs fine. The 1.9 rcokers I took off were fine as well. No damage to the rockers, no damage to the push rod. However, the pedastal plate was slightly bent in the places the rocker arm pivots were contacting it. Another odd thing I noticed, is that when I pulled the new push rods out, only like 4 out of 12 had oil inside them and dripped. All the others didn't have any oil inside of them, which is odd because when I pulled out the stock rods the first time, all of them were dripping with oil.
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Sunday, November 10th, 2019 AT 9:11 AM
Tiny
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So it sounds like the rockers were bottoming out and binding. Hopefully that didn't damage the rollers or the cam. As for the oil, the oil is fed up the push rod from the rockers. If the rockers were bottoming out it is probable that the lifters collapsed to absorb the rest of the lift. In doing so that shoots all the oil inside them out thus there is none to throw up the rods.

Rich
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Sunday, November 10th, 2019 AT 8:20 PM

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