Fuel trim

Tiny
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Fuel trim are high at idle or under load about 15%. What can cause this?


At wide open throttle the O2 sensor goes rich all the time which indicates it is not an air fuel problem right?
Sunday, May 6th, 2018 AT 6:16 PM

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Tiny
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Good morning.

What is the long term trim reading on your scan tool?

Roy

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-an-oxygen-sensor-works
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Monday, May 7th, 2018 AT 3:50 AM
Tiny
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Long term fuel trim is 15% short term in the positive also. Can you give me vacuum hoses diagram?
Like I said at wide open throttle the O2 sensor goes rich all the time.
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Monday, May 7th, 2018 AT 7:58 AM
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Sure.

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Monday, May 7th, 2018 AT 10:02 AM
Tiny
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So do you think is the MAF sensor or fuel problem?
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Monday, May 7th, 2018 AT 10:05 AM
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Possible but I would look at vacuum leaks and fuel pressure first.

Roy
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Monday, May 7th, 2018 AT 10:55 AM
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Today I noticed that when the radiator fan turns on the long term fuel trim goes up. Also, when just the key is on engine off the MAF sensor reads 0.19 g/s. Should a MAF sensor reads 0 g/s since there is no air flow?
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Tuesday, May 8th, 2018 AT 2:55 PM
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Good morning.

When the engine is not running, the flow through the mass air flow is close to 0. as you accelerate, the flow should increase with engine speed.

Make sure the hose from the mass air flow to the throttle body has no leaks as it will effect the readings and the long term trims.

Roy

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-a-mass-air-flow-sensor-works-maf
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Wednesday, May 9th, 2018 AT 4:48 AM
Tiny
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So is 0.19 g/s key on engine off in spec. On Ford's MAF sensors reads 0.01g/s key on engine off.
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Wednesday, May 9th, 2018 AT 7:07 AM
Tiny
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Mazda uses a voltage checking rather than grams.

I got some information for you on mass air flow inputs for your car.

Roy

Input Signal System Investigation Procedure
1. Find an unusual signal. (See below.)
2. Locate its source. (See below.)
3. Repair or replace the malfunctioning parts.
4. Confirm that the unusual signal has been erased.

Finding unusual signals
While referring to the DTC inspection of the on-board diagnostic system, use the PID/DATA MONITOR AND RECORD function to inspect the input signal system relating to the problem.
1. Turn the ignition on and idle the vehicle. You can assume that any signals that are out of specifications by a wide margin are unusual.
2. When recreating the problem, any sudden change in monitor input signals that is not consciously created by the driver can be judged as unusual.

Locating the source of unusual signals

CAUTION:
- Compare the NGS monitor voltage with the measurement voltage using the DIGITAL MEASUREMENT SYSTEM function. If you use another tester, misreading may occur.
- When measuring voltage, attach the tester GND to the GND of the PCM that is being tested, or to the engine itself. If this is not done, the measured voltage and actual voltage may differ.
- After connecting the pin to a waterproof coupler, confirming continuity and measuring the voltage, inspect the waterproof connector for cracks. If there are any, use sealant to fix them. Failure to do this may result in deterioration of the harness or terminal from water damage, leading to problems with the vehicle.

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Variable Resistence Type 1 (Throttle position (TP) sensor, fuel tank pressure (FTP) sensor and EGR boost Sensor)

Investigate the input signal system
1. When you get an unusual signal, measure the #1 PCM terminal voltage.
- If the #1 terminal voltage and the NGS monitor voltage are the same, proceed to the next step.
- If there is a difference of 0.5 V or more, inspect the following points concerning the PCM connector.
- Female terminal opening looseness
- Coupler (pin holder) damage
- Pin discoloration (blackness)
- Harness/pin crimp is loose or disconnected.

2. Measure the #2 sensor terminal voltage.
- If there is a 0.5 V or more difference between the sensor and NGS voltages, inspect the harness for open or short circuits.
- If the sensor and NGS voltages are the same, inspect the following points concerning the sensor connector.
- If there are no problems, proceed to next investigation below.
- Female terminal opening loose
- Coupler (pin holder) damage
- Pin discoloration (blackness)
- Harness/pin crimp is loose or disconnected

Investigate the standard power supply system
1. Confirm that the #3 terminal is at 5 V.
- If the measured voltage on the #3 terminal is 5 V, inspect the following points on the sensor connector.
- If there is no problem, proceed to next investigation below.
- Female terminal opening looseness
- Coupler (pin holder) damage
- Pin discoloration (blackness)

- If the #3 terminal measures other than 5 V, inspect for the following:
- Open or short circuit in harness
- Harness/pin crimp is loose or disconnected.

Investigate the GND system
1. Confirm that terminal sensor #5 is at 0 V.
- If it is at 0 V, inspect the sensor. If necessary, replace the sensor.
- If not, inspect for the following:
- Open or short circuit in harness
- Female terminal opening looseness
- Coupler (pin holder) damage
- Pin discoloration (blackness)
- Harness/pin crimp is loose or disconnected.

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Variable resistance type 2 (Fuel tank level sensor and mass air flow (MAF) sensor)

Investigate the input signal system
1. When you get an unusual signal, measure the #1 PCM terminal voltage.
- If the #1 terminal voltage and the NGS monitor voltage are the same, proceed to the next step.
- If there is a difference of 0.5 V or more, inspect for the following points concerning the PCM connector.
- Female terminal opening looseness
- Coupler (pin holder) damage
- Pin discoloration (blackness)
- Harness/pin crimp is loose or disconnected.

2. When you get an unusual signal, measure the #2 sensor terminal voltage.
- If there is a 0.5 V or more difference between the sensor and NGS voltages, inspect the harness for open or short circuits.
- If the sensor and NGS voltages are the same, inspect for the following points concerning the sensor connector.
- If there are no problems, proceed to next investigation below.
- Female terminal opening looseness
- Coupler (pin holder) damage
- Pin discoloration (blackness)
- Harness/pin crimp is loose or disconnected.

Investigate the electrical supply system
1. Confirm that the sensor #3 terminal is B+.
- If the measured voltage on the #3 terminal is B+, inspect the following points on the sensor connector.
- If there is no problem, proceed to next investigation below.
- Female terminal opening looseness
- Coupler (pin holder) damage
- Pin discoloration (blackness)

- If the #3 terminal measures other than B+, inspect for the following:
- Open or short circuit in harness
- Harness/pin crimp is loose or disconnected.

Investigate the GND system
1. Confirm that terminal sensor #4 is at 0 V.
- If it is at 0 V, inspect the sensor. If necessary, replace the sensor.
- If not at 0 V, inspect for the following:
- Open circuit in harness
- Female terminal opening looseness
- Coupler (pin holder) damage
- Pin discoloration (blackness)
- Harness/pin crimp is loose or disconnected.

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Thermistor type (Intake air temperature (IAT) sensor and engine coolant temperature (ECT) sensor)

Investigate the input signal system
1. When you get an unusual signal, measure the #1 PCM terminal voltage.
- If the #1 terminal voltage and the NGS monitor voltage are the same, proceed to the next step.
- If there is a difference of 0.5 V or more, inspect for the following points concerning the PCM connector.
- Female terminal opening looseness
- Coupler (pin holder) damage
- Pin discoloration (blackness)
- Harness/pin crimp is loose or disconnected.

2. When you get an unusual signal, measure the #2 sensor terminal voltage.
- If there is a 0.5 V or more difference between the sensor and NGS voltages, inspect the harness for open or short circuits.
- If the sensor and NGS voltages are the same, inspect for the following points concerning the sensor connector.
- If there are no problems, proceed to next investigation below.
- Female terminal opening looseness
- Coupler (pin holder) damage
- Pin discoloration (blackness)
- Harness/pin crimp is loose or disconnected.

Investigate the GND system
1. Confirm that terminal sensor #3 is at 0 V.
- If it is at 0 V, inspect the sensor. If necessary, replace the sensor.
- If not, inspect for the following:
- Open circuit in harness
- Female terminal opening looseness
- Coupler (pin holder) damage
- Pin discoloration (blackness)
- Harness/pin crimp is loose or disconnected.
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Wednesday, May 9th, 2018 AT 7:16 AM
Tiny
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I temporary taped the intake boot at idle fuel trims are better long term 6.3. However at 1500 rpm long term fuel trim are +7 and short term varies between - 7 to -23.
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Wednesday, May 9th, 2018 AT 7:41 PM
Tiny
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That looks much better. The long terms are the key, not the short terms. They are within specs at this time.

7 is the number you need. Replace that intake hose.

Roy
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Thursday, May 10th, 2018 AT 3:58 AM

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