Front brake groaning/squeak noise when braking at very low speeds or coming to a stop?

Tiny
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I have recently started hearing this groaning noise when coming to a stop and at low speeds (light pressure on the brake pedal and at speeds below 5mph at least). I have recently replaced the front brake rotors and pads due to low pad life, but the same sound exists with the new pads and rotors. I replaced the front left wheel hub assembly about a year ago and the cv axle on the front right about 4 months or so ago. It seems to be coming from the front left though.
Thursday, June 1st, 2023 AT 10:54 PM

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Tiny
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I forgot to add that I found nothing out of the ordinary while replacing the brakes, greased everything including the guide pins, and checked for play on the wheel bearing. Braking does not feel any different either besides this sound. Is it possible for old calipers to do this? Only other time I can hear this is once when I had to slam on the brakes. Just wondering if this noise should be a cause of concern or and if it's not normal, what it could be.
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Thursday, June 1st, 2023 AT 11:30 PM
Tiny
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Hello SURGEIMPULSE,

Brake noise is very common and one of the most common issues is the inferior brake pads. If you normally use cheap brake pads this might be the issue.

Some cheaper pads will have metal flakes in them and will cause noise when they contact the rotor.

Another issue could be pad vibration. The pad will vibrate due to bad shims or clips and cause the pad to vibrate.

Does this groan sound like a creaking noise or more like a scraping, rotational noise?

A common cause of groaning brakes at slow speeds is usually a caliper issue, doesn't mean it is in your case especially because you said everything checked out, but it is still a possibility.

Also, what kind of grease did you use? Was it a high temp brake grease?

I use Permatex myself I will add a picture of it for you. The grease that comes with the pads is usually not that great and can break down with heat if it isn't made to the right specs.

If too much is used on the slide pins, the caliper may not compress fully since grease isn't compressible. If one pin has more than another, it could cause the caliper to tweak and cause noise.

What pads did you purchase? Would you mind sending me the part number if you, have it? I would like to look and see what they are made of so that I can help you better.

Here are a couple of articles with a lot of good information about noise and there causes:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/guide-to-fixing-automotive-brake-grinding-causes-and-solutions

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/ultimate-guide-to-diagnosing-and-fixing-automotive-brake-squeak-causes-and-solutions

These articles may not to pertain to your exact issue but include a lot of great information to aid in diagnosis and communication which me or a service station.

If you could look things over and answer these questions for me, we can start to eliminate possible issues and see if we can narrow it down for you.

Thank you,
Brendon
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Friday, June 2nd, 2023 AT 8:03 AM
Tiny
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I used CRC synthetic brake and caliper grease, and I did put quite a bit on but made sure it moves freely. The exact same sound was happening before I even replaced the brakes too, so I don't think it's caused by a little too much grease being on the guide pins. The brake pads are Power Stop 171158. If I were to guess I would think it's the calipers because I remember the rear brakes making a similar noise that went away completely after I installed a set of calipers, pads and rotors around a year ago. I'll get the brakes inspected somewhere just to be sure as I don't have the time to do it myself again for a while and so I don't end up buying and installing a part that I actually don't need.
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Friday, June 2nd, 2023 AT 6:56 PM
Tiny
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Good morning, SURGEIMPULSE,

CRC is good stuff too. Just about everything in my cabinet in my garage is CRC. Also, Power Stop are good pads. I have used them on my own vehicles and customers for years. So those shouldn't have an issue. They are ceramic so they would have to be bedded otherwise they would not perform correctly and make noise. But even if that wasn't done, it doesn't change the fact there was noise before. Since you replaced the pads and rotors, the noise remains, it is more likely the caliper like you suggested in my opinion.

If it is the caliper, it should do it if you're parked too. You could try jacking it up and removing the wheel and have an assistant apply the brakes off and on so you can try to pinpoint where the noise is coming from.

If you do take it to a service center, I would ask them to check the front end like ball joints, tie-rods, bushings, etc. Just to make sure it isn't something suspension related to making the noise.

Hope this helps. Let me know if I can help you with any other information.

Thank you,
Brendon
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Saturday, June 3rd, 2023 AT 6:28 AM
Tiny
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After doing some looking, I found that it is not the calipers. Most likely the wheel hub assembly or CV axle just making that at very low speeds. I'll see if the sound gets worse or anything and go from there, but I have peace of mind driving knowing the brakes are good and it's safe. Wheel hub assembly feels solid and spins good, I will keep an eye out for any changes to the sound. Thank you!
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Saturday, June 3rd, 2023 AT 10:36 AM
Tiny
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Hello SURGEIMPULSE,

Absolutely. That sounds like the best course of action.

You're very welcome. Happy to help any way I can.

Have a great rest of your weekend!

Brendon
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Saturday, June 3rd, 2023 AT 11:11 AM

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