Will not start on first start attempt

Tiny
LARRY2085
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  • 2009 CHEVROLET HHR
  • 2.2L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 113,000 MILES
I have been having problems with my car not starting up as it should. It always happens at the first startup and usually within a 24-hour time minimum, of sitting. It does not matter what the weather conditions are. After the first 1 to 2 key turns, it fires up and I'm able to use the car without problems. I do notice the cars idle is surging only for 5 seconds then levels out, only on that initial startup, from when it sits.
Wednesday, June 1st, 2022 AT 10:27 AM

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Tiny
AL514
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Hello, this vehicle is listed as a Gas/Ethanol engine. What type of gasoline do you put in your tank? And does it make a difference if you get gas at a different gas station?

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-cranks-excessively-before-starting

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/engine-surges
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Wednesday, June 1st, 2022 AT 1:35 PM
Tiny
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When I first got it new, I used E85 about half of the time. Now I use gas. I usually get the cheaper option from Speedway. I just put in shell mid grade last night, half tank worth, to top off.
I don't notice a difference when changing fuel grade or brand. One thing I looked up on here was the fuel pump. I can here it kick on when I key on.
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Wednesday, June 1st, 2022 AT 2:34 PM
Tiny
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Also wanted to mention, no engine lights are on.
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Wednesday, June 1st, 2022 AT 2:35 PM
Tiny
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Yes, the Fuel Pump should turn on for about 2 seconds at Key On, before you start the engine. This gets the fuel pressure up to its max pressure for startup. Sometimes the issue with ethanol vehicles is that these systems tend to be more corrosive due to the ethanol(alcohol) content in the fuel system. I know you don't really use the E85 anymore, but GM has a Technical Service Bulletin on a fuel system cleaner they recommend. It sounds like a fuel related issue, especially with the slight surging you mentioned. The fuel system on this vehicle has a fuel pressure regulator and a check valve in the gas tank and if there is a little bit of corrosion going on, there might be a little bit of fuel pressure leaking back down and that's why it will stumble for a second and then clear up. Also, if there are no codes set, I would recommend doing the fuel system cleaning service. They have the TSB (technical service bulletin) up for a reason. So, there must be other vehicles experiencing this same issue.
With you having to do a key on a couple of times before it starts, that would indicate fuel pressure is not building up to where it should at the first key on fuel system prime. Unfortunately, flex fuel vehicles are prone to these issues more. Thats why the fuel system components are built with different materials.
If you wanted to do some testing on the fuel system, you can attach a fuel pressure gauge on the fuel rail port and see if the pressure is below spec at Key On. You can watch the fuel pressure with just the Key On and see if its pressure is staying up where it should be. The fuel filter is built into the fuel pump module on these so it's not serviceable without taking the fuel pump out. But I would try the cleaner the manufacturer recommends first, and if you're still having issues, then it would be time to do some diagnostics on the fuel system.
If there is some other reason for the issue, a code will eventually set, giving better direction as to what may be happening.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-fuel-system-pressure-and-regulator
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Wednesday, June 1st, 2022 AT 3:51 PM

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