Serious wobble in front end

Tiny
DANE DESPAW SR.
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  • 1993 JEEP CHEROKEE
  • 4.0L
  • 6 CYL
  • 4WD
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  • 358,000 MILES
I replaced the ball joints 2 1/2 years ago. The vehicle is getting a serious wobble between 55 and 60 mph. That combined with the tire wear on the inside edge lead me to think the ball joints were bad again. I lifted the front of the car and used a lever to try and move the tires up and down. There is no movement. The hub bearings also seem to be good. Is there something else I should be checking? Tie rod ends? Also, I have an audible clicking sound when I turn the steering wheel. This just started recently. I replaced the steering gear a year ago, and there is no play in the steering. Pitman arm? Thank you.
Saturday, November 28th, 2020 AT 11:37 AM

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Tiny
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There's two things to consider. The best suspect is a worn steering damper. It looks like a regular shock absorber, but it pulls apart and pushes together with equal force both ways The first photo shows what it looks like. It's connected to the steering linkage on one end and the cross member on the other end. When they fail, you'll often see oil dripping from the shaft.

The second issue has to do with the alignment. We already know total toe is toed-out too much, or camber is too negative on both front wheels. That would have happened some time ago as it takes time for that to show up in tire wear patterns. If the wobble started recently, the better suspect is the damper, but too much caster can do this too. Caster is the main alignment angle that is responsible for the steering system returning to centered when you let go after turning a corner. When caster is too high, it makes the steering harder to turn, (which is why power steering was added in the '60s), but it also makes it return to center so violently that it overshoots and goes the other way. When you add in road forces acting on the tires, it adds energy to that oscillation and keeps it going until you slow down.

To add to the misery, the second chart shows the alignment angles, and caster, at six degrees, is double what is typically found on most vehicles. The steering damper helps at six degrees, but caster can be adjusted much higher on this vehicle. That would aggravate its natural tendency to seriously wobble.
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Saturday, November 28th, 2020 AT 12:28 PM
Tiny
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Update. I rotated the tires and that stopped the wobble for now. Will work on the steering damper this weekend.
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 6:03 AM
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Please keep me updated. Tires could be a contributing factor, but I'm skeptical that is going to solve the problem.
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Tuesday, December 1st, 2020 AT 6:33 PM
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Agreed. I don’t believe the tires are the solution either.
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Monday, December 7th, 2020 AT 5:19 AM
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This topic caught my attention. I have seen this issue many times and I would not discount the tires as the issue since they made it better when rotated them.

You guys nailed the first and most common cause which is the steering dampener. However, the other causes of this are worn suspension components that you mention in the first post. When there is any play in these components the dampener cannot control the movement and it creates this wobble. It is less likely the ball joints and more likely tie rods or other steering connection points.

Lastly, is the tires. The fact that you rotate the tires and it stops tells me that this could be the issue. This is not uncommon to be overlooked because the tires appear to be ok visually. However, what happens is the sidewalls of the tires get weak and when you hit a something in the road the steering shock again can not control that amount of movement.

You can put a stiffer shock on it and it may help but if the tires made it better then I suspect they are the thing that is causing the issue to start. So you may put a stiffer shock on it and it is able to control it but more then likely it will come back as the tires wear more if in fact the tires are the issue.

So the way I address this is make sure steering and suspension are tight. If they are I swap tires or rotate them. If that makes it better or stops it completely, I replace the tires and test the steering shock. You test this by disconnecting it at the end that is towards the center of the vehicle and push it in and out and there should be a good amount of tension and no skips in that tension. Smooth consistent tension and any skips are air pockets. If there is not a good amount of tension or any air pockets, replace the shock as well.

Hopefully this helps. Thanks
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Thursday, December 10th, 2020 AT 7:30 AM
Tiny
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Having checked everything you mentioned except the steering damper, and now having driven for almost 2 weeks since rotating the tires with the wobble not coming back, I’m starting to believe the tires could be the cause of the wobble. I will say that I’ve gotten more than two years on these tires without ever having any issues. The only signs of wear they have is the inside edge that lead me to believe I needed ball joints. Once I get the steering dampener replaced and an alignment done. I will update y’all.
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Thursday, December 10th, 2020 AT 5:49 PM
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There's two more variables to keep in mind. The first is the blocks of tread allow the rubber to squirm a little. That can help absorb road shock. After two years, those blocks of rubber are worn down and are less able to flex. That could be why the wobble is caused by the tires now, but not previously.

The other variable most people aren't aware of is sagged springs. That changes the geometric relationship of the steering and suspension parts, and how they react to road forces. Every tire and alignment shop has a small book that shows the places to measure and what the measurements should be for every year and model. I can only find the rear specs for your vehicle to show you what we look for. The first picture shows the specs for the rear suspension and what they should be. Most manufacturers have you measure between a point on the vehicle, to the ground. Chrysler has always used methods that at first seem rather complicated, but they take into account different tire sizes. Here they show measuring from the axle tube to the frame. It doesn't matter what the tire size is. Conscientious alignment technicians will measure ride height before agreeing to align the vehicle. Sagged ride height is much less of a problem with this suspension design, but it can be a huge cause of poor tire wear on other models even when the alignment numbers look perfect.

A similar front suspension system is used on full-size Dodge trucks and on your Jeep. In the second drawing, the left side is shown. Of particular interest are the upper and lower control arms, (blue and purple arrows). On the trucks, if you site straight up or down over them, you'd see they are very nearly parallel to each other. There is nothing to keep them from letting the front axle housing shift to either side. (The lower arm is connected to the axle through bushing number 5. The upper arm is connected the same way, but its bushing isn't shown).

If that's all you had was those four control arms, two on each side, it would be almost impossible to slowly drive the vehicle into the shop without hitting something. Every tiny bump or vibration would make the axle shift, along with the steering system's relationship between the axle / wheels and the steering gear box / frame. It's the track bar, item # 9, (2 red arrows), that holds the axle from shifting sideways. This track bar caused a huge problem the first few years it was used. Minor play in the ball and socket, (2 red arrows), allowed the axle to shift just enough to cause miserable steering wander. It made for a very tiring truck to drive.

To make a side-note for a moment, there was a service bulletin for that steering wander, and the track bar was only one of two possible causes. I remember the approximate allowable movement between the two red arrows, but it is irrelevant. If you ever find one with that much movement, it has been causing misery for years. Instead, I identified these by having a helper slowly turn the steering wheel left and right a few inches with the engine running. If you can see perceptible movement up and down between the ball and socket, that is too much play and the bar must be replaced. The service bulletin allows.084" movement which has to be measured with a dial indicator. With even.050" of play, you won't want to drive the truck very far.

That play can be a contributing factor to the death wobble, but that never seemed to be a problem on the trucks. It affects the Jeep models more, but what's strange is if you sight down those two control arms, you'll see they aren't parallel like they are on the trucks. They form somewhat of an "X". That greatly reduces the importance of the track bar, but that makes it easy to overlook. You might want to look closer at it to see if it is worn. With your helper oscillating the steering wheel back and forth, the steering linkage puts pressure on the axle housing due to the tires' reluctance to slide across the road surface. That sideways pressure and movement is supposed to be controlled by the track bar. Because of the pressure placed on it, you would expect to see the end moving sideways related to the ball and stud, but in fact, the socket moves up and down. If that movement is excessive, due to the "X" formed by the control arms, you might not get the steering wander, but it would sure play a role in the death wobble.

If I didn't do a good job of describing where to see that objectionable movement, it could be imagined as the two red arrows are getting closer together, then farther apart as the steering wheel is flipped back and forth a few inches. We were supposed to use a dial indicator to see that, but if it was enough to cause a problem, you could see it by eye if you watched close enough.
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Thursday, December 10th, 2020 AT 10:11 PM

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