Low compression in cylinder number six

Tiny
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  • 1998 FORD CROWN VICTORIA
  • 4.6L
  • 6 CYL
  • 2WD
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  • 79,000 MILES
My car started missing and local small time mechanic who only does minor things but a tester on it and said number six cylinder problem. Put another gauge on it and said number six cylinder has low compression. My question is how much to fix this if fixable? Please give highest guess.
Monday, November 13th, 2017 AT 10:30 AM

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Tiny
STEVE W.
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It would depend on what is causing the loss of compression. If it is due to a poorly seating valve it would be much less than if it is a damaged piston or cylinder bore.
You need to have him do either a "wet" compression test or a leak down test. In the first one you add a bit of oil to the cylinder and see if the compression returns or gets much better. The oil helps provide a seal for the rings and will raise the compression a lot if it is a ring/piston issue, however it will not cause much if any rise if the issue is a valve.
The leak down test adds air to the cylinder and you listen for leakage at the exhaust, intake manifold and dip stick/oil filler. So if it was a bad intake valve you would hear a lot of air blowing through the air filter. Exhaust valve would be at the tailpipe.

The worst case would probably be replacing the engine and then you need to decide used or rebuilt. In my area a rebuilt engine plus install labor would be close to $4,000.00 with everything included.
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Monday, November 13th, 2017 AT 12:25 PM
Tiny
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Steve, thanks for your response. We bought this new engine from SW engines and just found out there was a warranty for 30,000 miles that expired after six months since I did not send a warranty back that I did not see. We only have 4,000 miles on it. I do not even know they sent me one for sure, do not remember it. Anyway, do you know how much these two tests will cost? Cannot put much more into it. The mechanic who put it in will not call me back. He is the one who did the pressure test.
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Tuesday, November 14th, 2017 AT 8:30 AM
Tiny
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You could do them yourself. Most auto parts chains like advance, Autozone, O'reily have loan a tool programs. You basically buy the tool and they give you back the money when you return it.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression
The wet test is done the same way, but you squirt a bit of clean engine oil in to help the rings seal.

The leak down test is a bit different but not any more difficult. But you do need an air compressor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=og9nXfXSaoY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgrfT0LFMhc
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Tuesday, November 14th, 2017 AT 12:12 PM
Tiny
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Thanks again Steve. I called the local guy again to see if he could do the tests mentioned, but he said the original guy did the gauge test and showed the compression only at sixty that either test would show same thing. I am at the mercy of anyone since I know nothing about a car. Since my husband has dementia he is no help at all, only upsetting him since original mechanic was supposed to be a family friend and will not call me back. Plus been dealing with a transmission fix that the other mechanic said he might have bent the line when he put engine in. Then the aggravation of dealing with a contractor who is supposed to do repairs and still has not done it. We are in our seventies and too much for me! So to get to the point will the two tests do two different things and will a well-known mechanic like AAMCO do this test reasonably? This will be last time I will bother you, and then just consider SW motors a ripoff. Have a good day.
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Wednesday, November 15th, 2017 AT 10:33 AM
Tiny
STEVE W.
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Not a bother, it is what we are here for. The two different tests check different areas for the same problem. 60 PSI is very low, and I would almost guarantee that it is valve related. That is why a shop should do three simple tests. One would be the dry test they did, it shows a baseline.

The "wet" compression test is to see if the problem is in the lower part of the engine. If the piston rings are the spot that is causing it the wet test would show much higher compression than the dry test. That would mean the engine would need to be taken out, torn down and rebuilt or replaced.

The leak down test is to discover if the problem is in one of the valves or possibly a head gasket. Say the test is done and it shows that there is a serious leak past an intake valve. To repair that would be much cheaper as the engine itself would stay in the car and the shop would remove the intake and heads, replace the bad valve or head and put it back together.
It is even possible that would not be needed as it could be as simple as a bad/broken valve spring or damaged rocker that is holding a valve open and just replacing those parts would only require removing the rocker covers.

What area of the country are you in? Perhaps there are better places to work with that will not give you a run around.
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Wednesday, November 15th, 2017 AT 2:13 PM
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Hello DUMBMECHANIC2,

Thank you for using 2CarPros. Please do not hesitate to contact us for any of your automotive questions. We love helping people! :-)
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Wednesday, November 15th, 2017 AT 4:08 PM
Tiny
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Steve, we live Bloomington, Illinois, just an hour away from Springfield. And thanks again. Just went and transferred license to other car today but still have to deal with getting some money back out of car so was hoping to fix it.
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Wednesday, November 15th, 2017 AT 6:15 PM
Tiny
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If I was closer I would do the tests gratis, but it would be a long drive from New York. Crown Victoria's usually sell pretty easy even with a hiccup or two. At least around here.
Seems like there should be a trustworthy shop out there. I will ask on a mechanics group I am on, maybe someone knows of a better shop.
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Wednesday, November 15th, 2017 AT 7:03 PM
Tiny
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Thanks so much, I really appreciate it.
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Thursday, November 16th, 2017 AT 7:20 AM

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