No crank no start, with codes code P0335 and P0113

Tiny
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  • 2003 KIA SEDONA
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Van suddenly would not start. Would not even crank. Obd reader gave code p0335 crankshaft sensor and p0113 air temperature sensor. Replaced crankshaft sensor. Van still won't crank or start. What do I need to to? Realign the crankshaft to the sensor (20 pins down from center) or have a computer retrain the ECM to the new sensor? After replacing the crankshaft sensor, the OBD reader does not give that code anymore but continues to show the p0113. Will that prevent the van from starting?
Sunday, June 6th, 2021 AT 5:37 PM

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Tiny
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It is unlikely that this would happen due to the crank sensor as the crank sensor just picks up the spinning crank to tell the PCM when to fire the plugs.

When you say it will not crank or start that means that when you turn the key, nothing happens at all? Meaning the starter does not spin the engine when you turn the key?

If this is the case then we have a different issue. Here is a guide that will help with this:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

We need to start with checking the starter for voltage.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-wiring

You should have 12 volts at the starter on the black wire at all times. Then you should have 12 volts on the green wire when you are cranking the engine.

I attached the diagram below that will help with this. please let us know if you have questions or what you find. Thanks
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Sunday, June 6th, 2021 AT 7:31 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

When you say it won't crank or start, do you mean the starter isn't engaging? If that is the case, take a look through this link:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/starter-not-working-repair

If that isn't the case and the starter is working, check to see if there is spark to the plugs. A bad crank sensor will prevent spark. Also, there is no relearn required on this vehicle for the crank sensor. Here is a link that shows how to check for spark:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-an-ignition-system

Let me know exactly what is happening. That way, I can dig into the wiring schematics.

As far as the intake air temp sensor, they can make the vehicle harder to start, but it should start. It will affect things such as fuel mileage, engine misfire, rough idle and so on.

Let me know as much as you can.

Take care,

Joe
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Sunday, June 6th, 2021 AT 7:32 PM
Tiny
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Okay, I was able to crawl underneath and hit the starter solenoid with a hammer and then had a friend try to start it. It sounded like it was trying to engage but didn't. I could hear a clicking noise. In this van the starter is extremely difficult to get to, so I can't check voltage because there is a shield around it. So does the clicking noise mean the start is bad?
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Monday, June 7th, 2021 AT 4:21 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

If you are getting a clicking, either the starter is bad or you have a weak connection at one point. Make sure the battery terminals are clean and tight. Also, make sure the battery is fully charged. If you still get a click, chances are the starter is bad.

Here is a link you may find helpful:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-replace-a-starter-motor

Let us know what you find.

Take care,

Joe

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Monday, June 7th, 2021 AT 9:05 PM
Tiny
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Joe, I was able to get a test light down there and yes the starter is no good. I bet that was the issue and not the Crankshaft sensor. What I don't understand is why would the OBD II reader get that code when it was the starter? It probably is because my reader is not top of the line and a no start no crank issue is part of the crankshaft and a starter does not give out a "code" when bad. All lot of work for nothing. The starter is not no easy job either but obtainable! Thank you for your help.
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Tuesday, June 8th, 2021 AT 1:27 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

You are correct that the starter won't set a code. The crankshaft sensor may be bad as well. Once you get the starter replaced and are able to start the engine, clear the codes and see if they return. There is a chance we simply have more than one problem.

Take care and if you have the chance, let me know the results.

Take care,

Joe
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Tuesday, June 8th, 2021 AT 8:34 PM
Tiny
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Joe, replaced the starter and van still will not turn over or crank. I am charging the battery. When you turn the key you can hear the starter trying to connect, click on and off but car won't start. We tried it when the battery was low. We already replaced the crankshaft sensor. We plugged the OBD II back in and all it give is the air temperature sensor code because it is disconnected as we had to remove the air filter. That is all the codes that appear. This is so frustrating. What could possibly keeping it from starting? Ignition Switch? I even switched the starter relay with another relay to see if that was the problem and that didn't help either, unless both relays are bad. Will let you know after battery is charged fully.
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Saturday, June 12th, 2021 AT 12:14 PM
Tiny
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If you have a new starter and a good battery, either we have a weak connection at some point that fails when a load is placed on it or another bad starter.

When you turn the key to start, the click you hear is the starter, correct? Are you certain that battery cables are clean, tight, and not corroded or damaged? Have you checked the ground between the battery and the engine block?

One other thought. Is it possible that the engine is locked up? If you place a socket and breaker bar on the crankshaft pulley bolt, can you turn the engine by hand?

Do me a favor. Remove the spark plugs and see if the starter turns the engine. If it does, pay attention to see if anything comes out of the spark plug holes such as coolant.

It's just a thought at this point, so hang in there.

Let me know what you find.

Joe
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Saturday, June 12th, 2021 AT 7:23 PM
Tiny
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I need some clarification on wiring the starter. There are three (3) posts. The bigger of the three is for the battery correct? Then there is a wire that you connect to a flat piece of metal sticking up. Is that the trigger wire? What gets connected to the other two posts? I should know this but I didn't remove it. My sister did and said there were two wires she removed and could only find one. Where would the other wire go? Help, help, help!
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Tuesday, June 15th, 2021 AT 11:37 AM
Tiny
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The other posts are more than likely not used. Can you get a picture of the starter and we can confirm this?

Below is the wiring diagram that shows you have two wires and that is it. The B+ and trigger wire. The starter grounds directly to the case so there is no wire.

Thanks
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Tuesday, June 15th, 2021 AT 7:47 PM

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