Consuming too much fuel

Tiny
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It is consuming for 1L 6.5km befor it was 10 km to 14 km. I changed O2 sensor, cleaning injectors, new poges, free computer test no problems. So what is your diagnoses?
Wednesday, December 11th, 2019 AT 3:53 AM

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Tiny
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Hello,

I would recommend doing a tune up on your vehicle. Change spark plugs and wires[if applicable], change air and fuel filters. The spark plugs are big thing to change here and make sure that the gap is where it should be. Ask them what the gap should be at the auto parts store where you purchase them, Please get back to us with how everything turns out. I hope that this helps you out.

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Alex
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Wednesday, December 11th, 2019 AT 4:01 AM
Tiny
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I changed sparks and fuel filter, air filter is a clean.
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Wednesday, December 11th, 2019 AT 4:04 AM
Tiny
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Hello again,

Sorry, I forgot to add this last time, so here is a guide on how to pull the Direct Trouble Code[DTC] from your vehicle's Data Link Connector[DLC] if your MIL or 'check engine' lamp is illuminated:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/checking-a-service-engine-soon-or-check-engine-light-on-or-flashing

Please get back to us and we can go from there.

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Alex
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Friday, December 13th, 2019 AT 9:00 PM
Tiny
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Thanks Alex: the check engine problem was the new o2 sensor malfunctioning although of it is a new one. I cleaned the old one and no check engine appeared, but the car still consuming too much fuel. What is your diagnose?
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Friday, December 13th, 2019 AT 10:33 PM
Tiny
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Hello again,

Okay, so you should never clean an O2 sensor. They are very fragile and can get poisoned very easily. For example, gasoline, oil, coolant, dirt, grease, any of these and a whole list of other things can poison an O2 sensor causing it to malfunction. Is your vehicle's MIL illuminated? If this was a problem with an O2 sensor sending a signal to your vehicle's Power-train Control Module[PCM] or "computer", it would set a Direct Trouble Code[DTC] and illuminate the MIL. Please get back to us and we can go from there.

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Saturday, December 14th, 2019 AT 3:01 AM
Tiny
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The real problem is computer test reveals no mistakes, the technician said if no computer problems we have to change O2 sensor when we do computer reveal O2 problem. I cleaned the old one the computer reveal no problem, but it is still consuming too much fuel
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Saturday, December 14th, 2019 AT 3:24 AM
Tiny
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Hello again,

Okay, well Honda of North America made it plainly clear to myself when I went through their university not to poison an oxygen sensor and I had three separate modules explaining what not to do, and cleaning them was at the top of list. I don't mean to sound confrontational, I am just trying to pass along what Honda taught me about oxygen sensors. The real way to test an oxygen sensor is to hook up a scan tool with the ability to show live data, and check the voltage values that your oxygen sensor is outputting in closed loop operation. Also being able to look at your vehicle's short term fuel trim is a very useful tool here. If you don't have access to a code reader with this ability, maybe your mechanic that you are working with would have this capability so you guys can check the oxygen sensors operation and make sure that it is not biased lean or rich. Please get back to us with what you find out and we can go from there.

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Saturday, December 14th, 2019 AT 3:34 AM
Tiny
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Look, O2 sensor is not my problem, in origin computer revealed no false, but the care consuming too much fuel, sorry for repeating, but I have a big problem.
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Saturday, December 14th, 2019 AT 4:04 AM
Tiny
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Hello again,

Okay, so the O2 sensors are good, and you have done a tune up, so the only thing left in the engine management system that could be bad would be the fuel map in the Power-train Control Module [PCM] or "computer". You might want to inspect the electrical connectors going to your vehicle's PCM and ensure that they are tightly connected with no corrosion anywhere. Also you should check all of your vehicle's grounds and ensure that they are clean, tight, corrosion free, and making metal to metal connections.I would give you the wiring diagrams or the location of the PCM, but your vehicle is not in the United States market, so it is not in our reference guide. Please get back to us with what you are able to find out.

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Saturday, December 14th, 2019 AT 1:18 PM
Tiny
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Thanks Alex, I will do that and back to you.
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Saturday, December 14th, 2019 AT 11:04 PM
Tiny
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Please let us know what you find. We are interested to see what it is.
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Tuesday, December 17th, 2019 AT 1:04 PM
Tiny
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My car has increasing in its fuel consumption, I did the following things:
- new sparks and coils
-new air filter
- new fuel filter
-new O2 sensor
- I cleaned the injectors
- CO2 test is normal
- no -check engine- appears
mechanics told me nothing to do,
electrical car technician told me they will start to check wires and car computer although of the computer test revealing no problems, I expended a lot of money and time and no result, any help?
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Thursday, December 19th, 2019 AT 1:02 PM (Merged)
Tiny
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One item I don't see mentioned, check the vehicles fuel pressure regulator and the actual fuel pressure. The regulators can fail internally and most are connected to the vacuum system which can give you an uncontrolled fuel source that the engines systems wont try to compensate for. Another issue could be high fuel pressure from a bad regulator or pump. That can cause the injector to spray in a larger amount of fuel that the system thinks it's getting. Depending on how advanced the computer is it may or may not try to compensate for it depending on how much extra it sends. To check that closer you could use a scan tool to look at the actual fuel trims as the engine is running. Ideally you would want to see them at very close to zero on both long and short term trims. If however you see the long term or both showing a negative number, there is extra fuel getting in somewhere.
Also check what the coolant temperature sensor is showing, and compare that with other temperature sensors. If the coolant is fully warmed up but the ECM sees a very low temperature it could be running in a heavy enrichment mapping thinking it is in a very cold area, that can cause a lot of fuel use, but the computer wouldn't see anything was wrong.

Have there been any changes in your driving routine like more air conditioning usage or more stop and go traffic than before? Even something like changing fuel stations can cause fuel consumption differences. I don't know if your country adds ethanol to the fuel or not, I think they do. If they changed the percentage or if you simply got a bad tankful it could cause problems.
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Thursday, December 19th, 2019 AT 1:24 PM
Tiny
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Thanks, while I am checking, I found that the fuel pump rubber is slightly large than what it should be, and I remembered that I changed the fuel pump before. The problem came after that. But their is no fuel smell inside the car.
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Sunday, December 22nd, 2019 AT 4:34 AM
Tiny
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Hmm if the problem started after the pump change I would check the pressures. There are many times that a pump can look just like another but they are for different applications and have different specifications. So you could have a pump that puts out a higher pressure.
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Sunday, December 22nd, 2019 AT 12:03 PM
Tiny
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Pump is good with 75 PSI pressure.
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Wednesday, February 12th, 2020 AT 1:54 AM

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