Shut off while driving will not start

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Photos attached.

Photo 1 - key on. Reading of 12.65.

Photo 2 - key off. No reading.

Photo 3 - splice at jumper. Left small wire goes to starting solenoid. Right small wire goes to coil.

Photos 4 - splice at firewall by driver. Top red wire is power in. Bottom left leaving red wire is jumper. Bottom right leaving red wire is to ICM.

Photo 5 - key on. Reading at splice to jumper and ICM. Drops to zero with power off.

Photo 6 - key on - reading at red ICM wire. Zero with power off.

Photo 7 - two splices. Bottom splice - blue wire from the right is from the ICM. Splices to white wire. White wire splices to two blue wires coming through fire wall.
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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 10:27 AM
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No pictures?

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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 11:12 AM
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They are there now.
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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 11:18 AM
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As you can see, 'splaining wires positions is a hard task to do.

I may have you draw a diagram or I will make you a drawing and you connect the "dots" with wires and where they go.

I'll jump on that soon!

I came across this. (Picture 1)

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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 11:46 AM
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OK- Magic with the pics? 1st there were none. Then there was 1, now a whole bunch!

Go to your Jeep, touch the "Jeep" emblem at the door way and say "Abracadabra you are now healed". Let me know how that works out!

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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 11:50 AM
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Magic spell didn’t work! But I’ll
Keep trying.

Yeah it is tough to explain. Wish you could see it with your own eyes! That aluminum thing is a splice. Value is roughly the same on each side of it. This splice is where the two small wires leave (to the right of your photo), one heads to solenoid, other heads to coil.

What are some other values I should be looking for?

So strange - started yesterday briefly now won’t budge.
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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 11:51 AM
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I see what the mysterious block is now with the magical pictures, I thought it was a resistor. It is merely a mechanical butt splice. They need to be taped up (re-taped up) to prevent them from touching something and shorting or grounding out.

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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 11:57 AM
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Can you send me a link or part number for your coil and where it came from?

I may be on to something. If the original wiring had been kept and the add-on goodies had just been popped into place this could of maybe been easier to follow!

It's a challenge, but you are definitely a big help in explaining it!

Thank goodness you are the only CJ in my garage right now, seems I won't see one for 4 months, then 4 of them will hit me at once!

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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 12:16 PM
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Okay, I’ll tape them up going forward. Thanks for the help today.
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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 12:21 PM
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This is a photo of it. The previous owner said he did a TFI upgrade. It is a mid 90’s Ford coil.

Another note. I put in a new ICM yesterday when it started running. Not sure if that had anything to do with it.
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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 12:24 PM
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I take it that it will not run now with the new module?

If no runnage, think you could warranty that one back?

If so, do not hook the next one in until I show you the next plan.

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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 12:30 PM
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Yeah no runnie with the new one in. I had to chop off the connector to splice it I so I doubt I can take it back. But I might try ;).

I will hold for further instructions.
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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 12:31 PM
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Get one of these.

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/b/standard-ignition-5753/lighting---electrical-16777/ballast-resistor-12489/50f244faac31/standard-ignition-2-terminal-ballast-resistor/ru37/5817019?q=ballast+resistor&pos=11

Notice on the backside view that the cavity is sealed that contains the spring-like resistor coil, I have found these kinds last longer, I don't know if it's because the coil doesn't get dirty or the springy part does not bounce around.

We want this puppy to run well.

I'm sure it did so prior to someone "thinking" it could run like a dragster or a F-16 by listening to other folks about some funky modifications.

The distributor modification did what? I have never seen the stock distributor cap cross fire being used on the street.

The plugs fire just fine with a normal stock distributor, coil, and stock plugs.

So,

Let's get one of these too!

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/b/masterpro-ignition-4513/ignition---tune-up-16776/ignition-coils-19690/ignition-coil-12493/90c5da72ae86/masterpro-ignition-ignition-coil/25190/4598800/1979/jeep/cj7?q=coil&pos=4

Again, Let's wait until we get everything and I show you how to configure this stuff. Maybe as a "test" at 1st, then permanently after it's proven. I suspect the module can't handle what's going on now.

Wanna make a good modification/ improvement?

Jetting/ tweaking the carburetor is the best improvement possible!

I can guide you with this too. After we get this running again.

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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 12:59 PM
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Sounds like a plan.

Three questions:

Will this work? I already have it from trying to replace the coil earlier this week.

https://www.oreillyauto.com/detail/b/super-stock-2719/ignition---tune-up-16776/ignition-coils-19690/ignition-coil-12493/90c5da72ae86/accel-super-stock-ignition-coil/8140/2473952/1983/jeep/cj7?q=Ignition+Coil&pos=3

Second, think the ICM is shot? Should I get a new one just in case? Which one from Oreilly would be best suited?

Third, will my distributer work ok with this coil?
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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 3:31 PM
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I done a bunch of researching of that coil.

It will work with a 1.8 OHM ballast resistor.

Seems few places that have ballast resistors do not boast on what the resistance rating is.

I finally found this one:

https://www.autozone.com/ignition/ballast-resistor/duralast-ballast-resistor/116673_0_0

You can also take your voltmeter with you and maybe find one with right 1.8 resistance.

Many times the online (and local parts) stores want you to give the application. This would maybe work if the wiring was not changed.

Yours is now in the twilight zone, everything for your ignition is special and not OE. It's best to get a zip-lock bag and tear the labels from the boxes and stick them in the bag. In the future you will be able to produce a part number for what you need.

Example of mine

I have a '77 CJ-5, originally it had a "Prestolite Ignition System". The '77 did not have a resistance wire, and had many quirks and problems with the Prestolite.

I opted to change the ignition to be "Motorcraft" exactly like '79, '80, '81.

I needed resistance (I did not install a resistance wire) I used a ballast resistor, I got a reman distributor for $50, a coil for a '79, new plug wires, and several working ignition modules from an auto salvage yard (maybe $10 for 3) and I poured through the Ford vehicles until I found the correct connectors for the module and distributor. The wires on them were various lengths and had to be spliced to be correct for my application (those wires and connectors were freebies!)

Now if I need something from a parts store for the ignition I tell them I have a '79 w/ a 258 (not a '77) The only thing that is not '79 and is kind of "oddball" is the ballast resistor.

Let me know when you are ready to proceed.

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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 4:57 PM
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Okay, I’ll get that resistor, 1.8 ohm. And plan to use the coil I already have.

Will my current distributor be right for the application?

I’ll be ready to work on this tomorrow night so you can lay the procedure out when you are ready.
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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 5:09 PM
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Distributor should be fine.

See you tomorrow!

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Sunday, April 28th, 2019 AT 5:13 PM
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Got the parts and standing by.
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Monday, April 29th, 2019 AT 3:21 PM
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***Additional Info - when I got the engine to run over the weekend, I pulled the plug to test the headlights and the engine stalled out. Thoughts?
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Tuesday, April 30th, 2019 AT 5:56 AM
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What plug was pulled?

Bear with me, I'm on the ole trusty laptop for a while.

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