Replacement brake lines

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SEAN030888
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  • 1993 CHEVROLET SILVERADO
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Hi on my truck (Silverado k1500) the left rear brake line has a pin hole in it. The line is rusted. I want to buy a roll of brake line but I don’t know what to get. Should I get Polyvinyl Fluoride brake line or should I get Nickel/Copper Brake? My other question is the line that is rusted sits right by the gas tank. The only way I see to change it is to take the gas tank out or take the bed off. Is there a way to get to it without having to take the bed off or tank out? Thanks.
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Hello my name is Dave.

I would recommend using the nickle/copper as it is resistant to corrosion. As far as getting to the section of brake line that the fuel tank is in the way of getting to, to be honest if it were mine and not a customers I wouldn't bother removing that section of the old line and just find a well protected alternative route for the new one. If you are going to use bulk line you are going to need flare the lines, keep in mind it is required for safety to double flare the ends. If you are not sure how to do this if you buy a double flare tool it will come with instructions. I hope this has been helpful and thank you for using 2CarPros.
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PETER CALLAGHAN
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Brakes problem
1989 Chevy Silverado V8 Four Wheel Drive Automatic

I have a proportioning valve that has a brake line inlet that has a stripped thread and cannot be rethreaded. So I have obtained a second hand one but it is different in appearance.

The one that came out of the truck has a number on it FF 21 KH 1509 and has two valves at each end and the second hand one has numbers FD 22 KH 2997 on it and only has one valve at one end.


http://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/436137_Proportioning_valve_FF21KH1509_2.jpg



http://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/436137_Proportioning_valve_FF21KH1509_a_1.jpg




http://www.2carpros.com/forum/automotive_pictures/436137_Proportioning_Valve_FD22KH2997_2.jpg



Is the valve with the letters FD suitable for this truck.
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Ok with it looking different I would say no it probably isn't the same. Also you mention on truck has 2 and the other has one this is also going to make it different. So tell me what year is the used one out of?
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The vehicle dismantler does not know what year the item was remove from and has told me it is out of K/C Series 1988 to 1990 model. Thats all I could get out of him.
The main question is will the Valve with the FD on it do the job.
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RACEFAN966
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If they look different as you are discribing then no they will not interchange.
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I am trying to find out what this part is for. I have two lines going into my proportion valve. From there one of the lines goes into another device before heading to my rear brakes. That is the one I have no idea what it does. Can you help me?
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Dump valve for rear-wheel-anti-lock brakes.
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Really! This must be faulty because I have never felt this kick in when hitting breaks. I have locked em up on ice this winter. No anti lock kicked in. Could this be the reason I cannot bleed my breaks? I have tampered with the combination valve trying to reset it. I believe I did but my brake light is still on in the dash. Next I am going to try and bleed my master cylinder. Hopefully after that things will bleed. Now I am thinking this dump valve needs replacing.
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Tuesday, February 23rd, 2021 AT 9:33 AM (Merged)
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Four-wheel systems have multiple valves that block additional fluid flow when a wheel slows down too quickly, then, if it does not pick up speed, another valve bleeds off fluid pressure, then, once the speed catches up to the other wheels, a third valve opens to apply stored pressurized fluid. That "block, bleed, apply" sequence occurs 15 times per second. Chrysler controls all four wheels independently. GM uses a similar system but they combine the two rear wheels and just use a three-channel system. If either rear wheel skids, braking pressure is reduced to both rear wheels. During braking, the computer finds the wheel that is rotating the slowest, and modulates its brake pressure if its speed drops below a certain percentage of the fastest wheel's speed.

RWAL, (rear-wheel-abs) works differently. When the rear axle slows down too quickly, brake fluid is blocked, and if more reduction is needed, fluid is bled off. There is no apply circuit and no brake fluid stored under pressure. The apply comes from the brake pedal. As a result, as the system pulses to bleed fluid pressure, the brake pedal will gradually sink. The hope is the truck will come to a stop before the pedal hits the floor.

The important point to understand is a skidding tire has no traction. The purpose of four-wheel-abs is to maintain steering control. The purpose of RWAL systems is to prevent the rear of the truck from trying to pass the front due to loss of rear traction while braking. You will not notice the pulsing pedal and buzzing noise with your system. Also, anti-lock systems do not do their thing below a minimum speed. That is commonly around 15 mph. The other big difference is there is no reference to determine if the rear wheels are slowing too much. The computer only watches the rate of speed decrease relative to time. If the skidding occurs over a prolonged period of time, say four or five seconds, that is long enough for the computer to assume the truck has come to a stop, and it stops running the dump valve. That is why you can still observe skidding tires. And remember, there is no abs action on the front wheels, so those can be locked up any time.

RWAL systems are bled as though they were not even there. There is nothing to activate and no valves to open with a scanner.

You have not listed any history or why you are working on this system. The pressure-differential switch in the combination valve turns the red "Brake" warning light on, along with the parking brake pedal switch, and, if used, a low-fluid level switch in the brake fluid reservoir. To know for sure if the pressure-differential switch is tripped, unplug the wire going to it. That switch is extremely frustrating to reset on Ford products. On Chrysler's and GM's it is spring-loaded and will center itself. Sometimes they stick though, then a good hard jab to the brake pedal will get them broken free once the cause for it tripping has been repaired. The combination valve will not affect bleeding or operation of the brake system.

A common cause of failure to be able to bleed at the rear wheels is the truck is on a hoist and the rear axle is hanging down. Most trucks and minivans have a rear height-sensing proportioning valve to limit the increase in brake fluid pressure under hard braking to prevent easy rear-wheel lock-up. Trucks and minivans can have a wide range of loading with passengers and loads, so the proportioning valve cannot be tailored to the specific vehicle like it can with cars. When the truck is lifted with the rear axle hanging down, it looks to the height-sensing proportioning valve like the truck is very lightly loaded, and little brake fluid pressure should go to the rear wheels. The restricted fluid path can make it hard to bleed that circuit.
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I need to know what type of rear brake line I need on my truck on the passenger side. They are drum brakes the line is shaped like an s and it the typr you bend. I was wondering also where I can get that type of line. Thank you
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Tuesday, February 23rd, 2021 AT 9:34 AM (Merged)
Tiny
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Hi:
Most parts stores will have what you need. It is a steel line, but the exact size differ from year to year, model to model. Take the old brake line with you and they will measure it. To bend it to shape, you will need a pipe bender so it doesn't collapse.

Let me know if you have other questions.

Joe
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