Check engine light

Tiny
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Hi and Thank You for your help.
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Thursday, May 19th, 2022 AT 11:35 AM
Tiny
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Hi. Yes, you are correct, as per that line of the chart. But the *(asterisk) by the 0 is all important.
At the bottom of the chart said the asterisk reads that voltage should be less than 0.50.
When I probed the main relay A10 (blue wire from ECM), key on, I got 0.80 volts.

So, what is that telling us?

Voltage to and from main relay are correct? Or not?

Question, with key on and main relay connected, and ECM connected to wiring Harness how much voltage I should see at main relay terminal B and D.

I know that with the main relay disconnected and blue wire (which is A10 at ECM wiring harness plug) grounded, I get full battery voltage at ECM wiring harness terminals A12 and A13.
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Thursday, May 19th, 2022 AT 11:35 AM
Tiny
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Sorry, in reference to sentence three above, the relay and ECM are both plugged in to their respectful wiring harness plugs.
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Thursday, May 19th, 2022 AT 1:42 PM
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Hi,

I just read through the schematic again. When the key is placed in the run position, pin A10 at the ECM provides a ground path allowing 12v to actuate the relay. When this happens, the relay closes, and power is sent to A12 and A13. Based on what I am seeing, there should be 12v. Is that what you are getting? I see no resisters that would lower that voltage.

Let me know.

Joe

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Friday, May 20th, 2022 AT 8:44 PM
Tiny
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Hi, voltage at ECM pins A12-&-A13 is indeed full battery voltage.
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Saturday, May 21st, 2022 AT 11:33 AM
Tiny
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If it helps.
This "No Check Engine Light" condition has been quite Sporadic over the last 6-8 months.
The last time I drove it, I made 9-stops. The last one failed to start.
Now it's all the time.
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Saturday, May 21st, 2022 AT 11:50 AM
Tiny
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Sorry Joe, I did not mean to be confusing to you. Thanks for the help. Curt
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Saturday, May 21st, 2022 AT 11:57 AM
Tiny
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The Voltages I posted on May 17 at 3:13 PM are correct and are what I am getting when probing.
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Saturday, May 21st, 2022 AT 12:11 PM
Tiny
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The A10 pin from the PCM provides a ground path. It receives 12v when the PCM signals it closed. So, if you checked that circuit, you shouldn't have gotten power unless the relay was in place. So, based on what you are saying, everything is correct and should work as designed.

I have one more question before I say the ECM is the likely cause. If you remove the relay and check pin A10 for continuity to ground with the key off, what do you get?

Let me know.

Joe
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Saturday, May 21st, 2022 AT 9:56 PM
Tiny
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Hi, I will double check what you have suggested.
Check pin A10.
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Sunday, May 22nd, 2022 AT 8:12 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

Key Off,
Remove Main Relay,
Probe Blue Wire at Said Relay to Ground,
Ohms=3.283 million,
Plug Relay in and turn on key,
Voltage=0.80 VDC.
If it helps, the fuel pump relay is not being activated when key in in run position.
I can make the fuel pump run (listen to fuel filler) and Fuel Pressure is present at Rail.
I do have a test (yes-no) chart in my service manual that I performed twice just to be sure I was doing it correctly.
The net result was open circuit in ECM.
Thank you for your patience on this.
Curt
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Sunday, May 22nd, 2022 AT 2:51 PM
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Curt,

You are very welcome. Could you let me know if this takes care of the issue?

Let me know.

Joe
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Sunday, May 22nd, 2022 AT 8:58 PM
Tiny
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Okay, well I did not replace any parts as of yet. So, I'm not understanding your question.
If I'm preforming tests on main and fuel relays correctly, then the ECM is faulty.
I'm going to look for another ECM, plug it in and see if it runs.
If the car does not run, then I'm going to sell it and move on.
For giving your time to a stranger, until you're better paid.
Thank you and may the day be smooth.
Curt.
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Monday, May 23rd, 2022 AT 7:41 AM
Tiny
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A great web site you all have here and a welcome service to the public.
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Monday, May 23rd, 2022 AT 7:47 AM
Tiny
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Curt,

The ECM should complete the circuit from the relay (A10). It doesn't sound like that is happening. So, it seems the ECM is suspect.

Regardless, please let me know how things turn out for you. You are welcome for anything that I was able to provide, but I feel like a failure.

If I don't hear back from you, please feel free to come back anytime in the future. You are always welcome here.

Take care,

Joe
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Monday, May 23rd, 2022 AT 7:21 PM
Tiny
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It's all good.
Trying to accurately diagnose any drivability sight unseen is a challenge in itself.
You responded to the information you were given.
Yes did good.
Curtis
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Tuesday, May 24th, 2022 AT 9:13 AM
Tiny
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Hi, I installed a remanufactured ECM. Key on, all dash lights on, starts and runs great. Open and closed loop both function they should.
Curt.
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Friday, May 27th, 2022 AT 4:13 PM
Tiny
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Curt,

Excellent. That is good news and I'm sure you are happy. LOL

You take care of yourself and please feel free to come back anytime in the future. You are always welcome here.

By the way, great job.

Joe
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Friday, May 27th, 2022 AT 9:53 PM

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