Charging system issues

Tiny
AARON RUPCHOCK
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  • 2002 VOLKSWAGEN BEETLE
  • 2.0L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
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  • 100,000 MILES
The fuse block underneath the hood melted from the alternator cable shorting out, so I replaced the fuse block, and went to a 4 gauge alternator cable and it happened again 6 months later. So I replaced it again last week and the same issues happened again. Did the alternator test where you disconnect the battery while the car is running and it shut off.
Monday, February 24th, 2020 AT 4:20 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

It sounds like the alternator is over charging. Do me a favor. Follow this link for testing an alternator. Let me know what voltages are found with the engine running.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-alternator

The voltage regulator is integral in the alternator. Let me know what is found. Also, I need to know if the battery was going dead after sitting.

Let me know.
JOe
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Monday, February 24th, 2020 AT 5:17 PM
Tiny
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The battery is not going dead. The transmission went into limp mode when this happened. Did the alternator test and it came out like it’s suppose to.
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Monday, February 24th, 2020 AT 8:47 PM
Tiny
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What was the voltage with the engine running? Also, are you certain all connections are tight? I know that sounds crazy, but a loose connection can cause an arc which causes heat.

Joe
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Monday, February 24th, 2020 AT 8:57 PM
Tiny
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All the connections are tight. The voltage was 13.8 if I remember correctly.
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Monday, February 24th, 2020 AT 10:44 PM
Tiny
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Okay. If your connection was tight, then I have to expect something internal in the alternator was causing the arc. Make certain that the alternator they are providing it the correct one for your vehicle.

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Here are the directions specific to your vehicle. Just adding them so you can confirm nothing was done differently.

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Generator (GEN) - 4-cylinder gasoline engine, removing and installing

CAUTION:

Before beginning repairs on the electrical system:
- Obtain the anti-theft radio security code.
- Switch off all electrical consumers.
- Switch off ignition and remove ignition key.
- Disconnect negative ( -) battery terminal.
- When disconnecting and reconnecting battery terminals, observe all applicable Notes and torque specifications, as well as instructions on performing OBD program and electrical system function checks.

Special tools, testers and auxiliary items needed

pic 1

- VAG 1331 Torque wrench (or equivalent 5 - 50 Nm)

REMOVING

1. Disconnect battery.
2. Remove ribbed belt.
3. Remove ribbed belt tensioner.
Tightening torque. 25 Nm (18 lb ft)

pic 2

4. Remove nut from terminal 30/B+ connection
Tightening torque. 15 Nm ± 1 Nm

5. Disconnect electrical connector -2-.
6. Remove harness retainer -3-.
7. Remove M8 hex bolts (generator to bracket)
Tightening torque. 25 Nm (18 lb ft)

8. Lift generator out from engine compartment.

INSTALLING

Install in reverse order of removal, noting the following:

pic 3

- Where applicable, drive threaded sleeves -A- approx. 4 mm in direction of -arrow.

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Again, it's even possible the wrong alternator is being use that doesn't provide enough amperage.

Let me know.
Joe
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Tuesday, February 25th, 2020 AT 4:38 PM
Tiny
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I have been doing more research on your vehicle and came across this. It indicates the importance of the torque of the wire you are having trouble with.

Take a look through this and the attached pic.

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2002 Volkswagen New Beetle GL (1C1) L4-2.0L (AVH)
Mechanical (including Torque)
Vehicle Starting and Charging Charging System Alternator Specifications Mechanical (including Torque)
MECHANICAL (INCLUDING TORQUE)
Generator, B+ connection

pic 1

Securing B+ wire to generator

CAUTION!
If the B+ wire terminal nut is not torqued as specified, the following may result:
- Battery will not be completely charged
- Vehicle electrical system malfunctions
- Danger of sparking
- Damage to electronic components and control modules due to voltage spikes

The tightening torque for the B+ wire (arrow) securing nut is 15 Nm (11 ft lb).

Let me know if this helps.
Joe
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Tuesday, February 25th, 2020 AT 5:25 PM
Tiny
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Do you know where all the ground straps are? I was told it could be a shorted out ground.
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Wednesday, February 26th, 2020 AT 3:57 AM
Tiny
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See pic 1 for the two primary from the battery. Pic 2 shows that the alternator is grounded through its mount to the engine.

Let me know if this is what you needed.

Joe
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Wednesday, February 26th, 2020 AT 6:07 PM

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