Car with no power to Move?

Tiny
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  • 2001 HONDA CIVIC
  • 1.7L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
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  • 120,000 MILES
Hi All,

I’m having an issue with my car. On Tuesday, I noticed the car felt very weak while driving. No matter how hard I pressed the accelerator, the speed wouldn’t increase. I decided to turn back, and after about five minutes, I returned to my community. Suddenly, the car lost all power and stalled on the road. After waiting a few minutes, it was able to move again but with very weak power, only covering about 100 meters before stopping again. I left it on the road for a few hours and tried driving it again, but it could only go another 100 meters. I repeated this process a few times before finally getting the car back home.
Today, I replaced the fuel pump assembly and tested the car, but the same issue persists. There are no warning lights on, and the engine sounds normal, running smoothly. Does anyone have an idea of what might be causing this and how I can fix it? Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks so much!
Ming
Thursday, September 19th, 2024 AT 5:59 PM

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Tiny
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Hi,

It could be a few things that are causing this. Does the engine rev normally when it is not in gear? Are there any odd sounds from the exhaust system?

Based on the description, I suspect there is either an ignition spark issue or the catalytic converter is plugged.

Do me a favor, when it won't restart, I need you to check if the engine will start using starting fluid. If it does and then stalls again, we know it is still a fuel related issue. If there is no change, I need you to check if there is spark to the plugs.

Here is a link that shows how that is done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-for-ignition-spark

Next, take a look through these two links. The first one describes symptoms related to a failed catalytic converter. If you feel these symptoms mirror what you are experiencing, go to the second link below for diagnostic information.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/bad-catalytic-converter-symptoms

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-a-catalytic-converter

Let me know. Also, let me know if there were any odd odors from the vehicle. One last thought. Let me know if the engine RPMs were high when it wouldn't move in gear.

Take care,

joe
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Thursday, September 19th, 2024 AT 8:03 PM
Tiny
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Joe, thank you for your response.
When I mentioned the car stalling, I meant that although the engine runs smoothly, the car won’t move forward or backward when I press the accelerator. The engine starts easily and runs well, with no strange noises or odors coming from the engine or exhaust. Everything seems normal, but there’s no power at all.
I initially thought it might be a fuel issue, which is why I replaced the fuel pump assembly (that didn’t solve the problem). Do you think I should consider replacing the fuel injectors? Since there are four injectors and the problem occurred suddenly, I’m thinking it’s unlikely that all four would fail at the same time, but I could be wrong.
Another thought I have is that if it were a problem with the fuel pump or injectors, the engine should shut off on its own. However, in my case, the engine keeps running indefinitely, which suggests that fuel is still being supplied to the engine. This makes me think the fuel pump and injectors are probably fine. So, I’m puzzled†what could be causing the total power loss?
I read the link you shared, and it mentioned that if the catalytic converter fails, I would still have low engine power. However, in my case, there’s no power at all, and after a few hours, the car regains minimal power, but I can only drive about 100 meters before it stops again.
I replaced the four NGK spark plugs in the summer of 2022, so I don’t think they should have failed so soon.
Thanks again for your help.
Ming
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Thursday, September 19th, 2024 AT 9:17 PM
Tiny
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When the car stalls, it feels as if I’ve shifted into neutral. Could this be a transmission issue?
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Thursday, September 19th, 2024 AT 10:27 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

Can you rev the engine when the transmission is shifted into drive and the vehicle not move?

Let me know.

Joe
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Friday, September 20th, 2024 AT 7:34 PM
Tiny
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Hello Joe,
Yes, when I shift the gear to Drive and rev the engine, the car doesn’t move. (The same as if I shift the gear to neutral.)
If I wait for a few hours and restart the car, it initially moves about 50-100 meters, but with very weak power. Then it stops completely, and even though the gear is in Drive, it behaves as if it's in Neutral.
As I mentioned earlier, there's no unusual sound, smell, or anything like that. I replaced the fuel pump assembly, but it made no difference (I removed the back seat to access the fuel pump assembly and haven’t put it back yet, so I can hear the fuel pump working).
I also let the car run for an extended period, and the engine didn’t shut off on its own, so I assume fuel is being supplied to the engine.
Thank you so much for your help. I’m completely at a loss and now have no idea where to even begin looking for the issue.
Ming
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Friday, September 20th, 2024 AT 9:35 PM
Tiny
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Joe,

I googled and found many people experienced the same issue as mine and most possibly the transmission is the problem, which is beyond what I can handle. Maybe I will have to tow it to the junkyard. It’s a 2001 Honda Civic EX with 101,600 miles on it, and I estimate the value to be around $1,500. It's not worth spending a lot of money on transmission repairs.
Thank you very much.
Ming
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Saturday, September 21st, 2024 AT 9:05 PM
Tiny
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Hi,

Have you checked the transmission fluid level and condition? If not, check it to see if it is low. Also, the vehicle does have a CVT transmission. They are certainly not the most durable on the market. When they fail, it usually requires a replacement and not a repair.

I attached the directions below for checking the ATF. I'm basing this on when you place it in gear and press the accelerator, the engine just revs and the car doesn't move. Take a look and let me know what you find.

Joe

See pics below.
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Sunday, September 22nd, 2024 AT 7:49 PM
Tiny
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Hi Joe,
I checked the transmission fluid, and it’s both clean and at the right level.
I googled and found many people have the same symptom as mine. They mentioned the issues with CVT transmission for Honda Accord, Civic, and Odyssey released during 1999-2004. One said "Very common issue. The torque converter fails causing the whole transmission to mess up."
It looks like there’s not much more I can do on my end.
Thank you for your help.
Best,
Ming
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Sunday, September 22nd, 2024 AT 8:09 PM
Tiny
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Ming,

You are very welcome. Sorry to hear this has happened. I am one person that simply doesn't like the CVT design. I've seen too many fail.

Take care of yourself and feel free to come back anytime in the future.

Joe
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Sunday, September 22nd, 2024 AT 9:22 PM
Tiny
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Joe,
It's strange that the engine light hasn't come on yet.
Do you think replacing the transmission fluid and filter at this point would help? Is it worth a try? The car now has 101,000 miles on it. I bought it used four years ago, and I guess the transmission fluid and filter have never been changed. Although the fluid looks good, it might not be.
Thanks a lot,
Ming
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Monday, September 23rd, 2024 AT 12:10 PM
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Hi,

If the fluid is clean and full, it likely won't help to change it. However, in most cases, internal transmission failure causes the fluid to get dark in color and develop a burnt smell. Did you notice an odor from it? Is the fluid a reddish color or does it appear more brownish?

Joe
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Tuesday, September 24th, 2024 AT 6:42 PM
Tiny
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Joe,

The fluid is reddish. I kept trying and the transmission began making squealing noise starting yesterday.
I saw someone's post. He had the same problem as mine. He changed the transmission fluid, which allowed him to drive for a short time, but after about half an hour, the same issue occurred, and he couldn't drive back home.
Someone posted this: "The internal filter is full of friction material debris, and the pump is starved of fluid. Once this happens, there is not enough hydraulic pressure to keep the converter full nor the clutches engaged. All movement ceases. When you shut the engine off, the debris falls away from the filter to the bottom. Restart the engine, and the debris is slowly sucked up again until fluid flow is blocked off again."
This post helped me understand why the car can move for a short distance after sitting for a few hours. Yesterday, I mistakenly thought the filter was external and was planning to replace it. However, based on the information in the post, it seems like the transmission has an internal filter, which I won't be able to access myself.
Thank you,

Ming
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Tuesday, September 24th, 2024 AT 9:34 PM
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Hi,

That is very possible. If you allow it to sit overnight and drain it the next day, you may get a lot of it out of the trans. Do that a couple of times (flushing), may clean it.

What I would try is to drain it, refill it and start the engine for a few minutes and shift through the gears and then drain it again to see if more dirt comes out. You aren't seeing the dirt at the bottom of the transmission, so it may help.

Whatever you do, make sure to use the correct type of transmission fluid. See pic below.

Joe

See pic below.
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Wednesday, September 25th, 2024 AT 8:04 PM
Tiny
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Joe,

I plan to get this done in the next few days. You mentioned the importance of using the correct type of transmission fluid. After checking the manual, it specifies: "Always use genuine Honda ATF-Z1 (Automatic Transmission Fluid)."
My plan is to flush the transmission twice and then add the final fluid. I’m thinking of using Valvoline Import Multi-Vehicle (ATF) Full Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid (attached is a picture that shows it’s recommended for Type T-IV, ATF-Z1, etc.) For the initial two flushes, and then using Genuine Honda Fluid 08200-9006 CVT-1 Continuously Variable Transmission Fluid for the final fill.
Does this sound like a good approach? I'm considering this because the Genuine Honda fluid is significantly more expensive.

Thank you so much,
Ming
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Thursday, September 26th, 2024 AT 11:21 AM
Tiny
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Hi Joe,
I am totally lost. Just called two Honda dealer nearby. I gave my VIN and asked them to check if it has CVT. Both of them said no. They said it's a "4-speed auto transmission DW-1".
When I use the symptoms to research online, people had the similar problem always said CVT for 2001 Honda Civic so I mistakenly assume I have a CVT car. So it seems like NOT ALL 2001 Honda Civic EX cars have CVT.
Also I was transferred to the Part department and I gave the guy the VIN again to ask him to order a transmission filter for me. He checked and said there is no filter came out for this car. Weird.

I will still do the flushes no matter it is CVT or not.
Thank you,
Ming
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Thursday, September 26th, 2024 AT 11:46 AM
Tiny
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Hi,

We need to confirm what transmission it is before flushing. I say that because the correct fluid is needed, and at this point, we aren't sure which that will be.

Do me a favor. Let me know the VIN number and I'll try digging deeper into what we need to do. DW-1 is a transmission fluid for a non-CVT transmission. It isn't a transmission type, so I'm confused as well. My manual only indicates a CVT for this vehicle, but I'm not a dealer. They would have more info on the vehicle.

Joe
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Thursday, September 26th, 2024 AT 12:03 PM
Tiny
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Since it is not a CVT, I think I cannot use Genuine Honda Fluid 08200-9006 but I can still use the Valvoline Import Multi-Vehicle (ATF) Full Synthetic Automatic Transmission Fluid to flush (The picture you sent shows ATF-Z1 is till good to use )
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Thursday, September 26th, 2024 AT 12:04 PM
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The ATF-Z1 is for a CVT, and not a traditional type fluid. DW-1 is for a non-CVT Honda transmission.

Joe
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Thursday, September 26th, 2024 AT 12:06 PM
Tiny
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Okay. Then probably I cannot use Valvoline since the package did not show DW-1. Another product shows DW-1 on the back and I will use it:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B093R9YZ75
Thank you so much
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Thursday, September 26th, 2024 AT 12:17 PM
Tiny
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Yes. It's confusing. The VIN is: 2HGES26711H543064
You said The ATF-Z1 is for a CVT and DW-1 is for a non-CVT Honda transmission. The dealer said it's not a CVT and it use DW-1 but the user manual coming with the car says the following:
"Always use genuine Honda ATF-Z1 If it is not available, you can use a DEXRON III Automatic transmission fluid as a temp replacement"

That's the reason I think maybe the Castrol brand is a safe choice because it works with both types --- CVT and non-CVT.
Thank you so much.
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Thursday, September 26th, 2024 AT 1:38 PM

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