Car turns off

2009 TOYOTA CAMRY
80,000 MILES • 4 CYL • 2WD • AUTOMATIC
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FABIAN CHARLTON
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Without the battery, the alternator gives about 13.5 volts. To determine that we disconnected the battery and used a multimeter.

When I turn on the high beams in the car without the battery connected, the car turns off. If I have it connected without load, the voltage is about 13.8 with load and with battery it's 13.4.


So, this is the scenario: I turn on the car using a jumper then disconnect the jumper.

If I wait a minute or however long, if I turn on the high beams, the car shuts off.


Now I was arguing with my dad trying to explain to him that i know that turning on the hi beams will shut it off because I start to see the lights dim on the dashboard when I flick to turn it on.(and when I actually do turn it on, the car shuts off) So in rapid succession I flick the high beams and I un flick it fast enough so that the beams do not fully turn on. But each time I'm seeing the dashboard lights begin to shut down like the car is losing power. To show him that if I let it fully power on, the high beams will shut off the car

My dad kept insisting that the high beams shouldn't turn off the car, so while I'm flicking like four times in a row, (each time the dashboard lights are dimming in response to me flicking the high beams slightly) I gave in, and on the five try I let it fully engage the flick and the high beams came on and the car stayed on. I was so confused.

So, I turned off the beams then proceeded to turn it on, and the car shut off.



And I reproduced it.


So, my question is, why does flicking the hi beams ultimately lead to the car not turning off?
Jun 15, 2022 at 6:04 PM
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Sounds like the module is trying to load shed to prevent the shutting off but if the high beams are on, it is too much for it.

Have you checked the battery and alternator?

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/car-battery-load-test

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-alternator

Starting the engine and disconnecting the battery is not going to give us the info we need.

This system is not designed to run off one or the other. It is meant to run in tandem so we need to test each part first and then we can figure out the cutting off with the high beams if it is still there.

However, the high beams are not going to have any effect on the engine other than the additional load, so I suspect we have an issue in this system we just need to start at the beginning.

Thanks
Jun 16, 2022 at 10:17 AM
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So, here's what happened: I bought an alternator from eBay because it was cheap and from my preliminary testing the ac ripple on the old one seemed to be messing up. Soi got one used. The thing was I took it to advanced auto to have them test it and it came back fail. What I plan on doing is taking the alternator from the old car and test that one. Right now, I may have to return the one I got from eBay.

I also had purchased A new battery prior to this conversation.


But I will test the one in the car and report back. In the meantime, here's the used one.
Jun 20, 2022 at 7:37 PM
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Okay. Yes. I think you are on it. No matter what we do, we need to start with a battery that passes a load test and an alternator that will pass that bench test.

Until we have that, we are just chasing our tail. Let me know how it turns out. Thanks
Jun 21, 2022 at 9:02 AM
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I'm trying to get this belt off so I can take off my alternator. But I cannot locate what bolt that everyone is always pointing to.
Jun 25, 2022 at 6:46 PM
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Jun 25, 2022 at 6:47 PM
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You need to use a 19mm socket wrench to put on this bolt and then you pull it towards you. This will remove the tension from the belt, and you can slip it off the alternator pulley.

Here is a guide that helps with this:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/replace-serpentine-belt

Below is the info from the manual. It shows that there is a leverage point, but I am not seeing that in the video so that means it is the actual bolt that you use. However, if you get a slightly better video or picture of this area, I will point it out if it is not this bolt.
Jun 25, 2022 at 7:01 PM
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I think that bolt is missing.
Jun 26, 2022 at 2:56 PM
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I ended up following this guy https://youtu.be/CcCl8G-zTvo
Jun 26, 2022 at 3:29 PM
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Oh, now I understand what you meant. I didn't realize you pointed to that thing, caused that's exactly what I used to release the tension. So, is it that the leverage point broke? Or maybe it's not the model to use it?
Jun 26, 2022 at 8:22 PM
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I think what happens is they reused an illustration from an earlier model year which does have this point, but your vehicle just uses the bolt on the pulley.

Most all vehicles just use that bolt so if that worked, then that is what I would use moving forward.
Jun 27, 2022 at 7:16 PM
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I still haven't found an Advanced Auto that would test my alternator, but the one that arrived looked damaged.
Jul 4, 2022 at 6:13 PM
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Not sure if it will affect it or should I just get my money back?
Jul 4, 2022 at 6:13 PM
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This was the result of the new alternator.
Jul 5, 2022 at 4:14 PM
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This is the result of the old one in the car.
Jul 5, 2022 at 4:15 PM
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Here's a video with the newer alternator. The problem is still there sort of. The personal alternator seems to be able to put just a right amount of power before the engine cuts off where the old alternator if I feel like the high beams, it will automatically shut off the car this one you flick the high beams, and the car does die out for like half of a second or something half of a half of a second, but it recovers
Jul 6, 2022 at 9:12 PM
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Hi,

I noticed you haven't been contacted in a couple of days. Have you been able to make any progress? We're interested in knowing.

Also, if you are still having issues, I want you to try something. I need you to check the alternator output on the vehicle. All you need is a voltmeter or multimeter. When you test it, I need you to have a helper flick the high beam on and off while you watch the meter. Let us know the voltage readings when doing this. I'm starting to think you may have a faulty ground.

Here is the link:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-check-a-car-alternator

Let us know.

Joe
Jul 8, 2022 at 10:42 PM
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No, I haven't made any other progress. Other than the latest post I previously made.
Here are the results:



With the battery connected:

These are the volts:
14.1 with nothing on but the car.

With hb on, 13.9.

With the battery not connected (started using a booster.

13.82-13.70 (not steady it's keeps on changing) when I rev it it'll go jump to 14 but settle lower and change value between stated above.

When I flick the hb, the volts drop to 8.6 but quickly shoot back to ~13.82.

The ground is good. Value is .02

Jul 10, 2022 at 5:52 PM
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The alternator seems to be doing its job. Since you are getting that much of a draw when the high beam is turned on, I have a feeling the problem could be coming from the body control module.

I attached diagnostics specific to the high beams circuit. It requires a scan tool that can communicate with the modules. I'm not sure if you have one. Take a look through them and let me know if you are comfortable performing them.

Take care,

Joe

See pics below.
Jul 10, 2022 at 8:22 PM
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When you say communicate do you mean bi-directional?
Jul 11, 2022 at 8:29 PM
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Here is what I was going to post before you replied. I do have this tool but in fact I just purchased a Blue Driver. And yes, I am willing to do whatever it is, lol.
Jul 11, 2022 at 8:33 PM
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Tbh I have no idea how to do what they're asking. I have a multi meter :D
Jul 11, 2022 at 9:08 PM
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However, if the scanner I just bought isn't enough promptly let me know so I may cancel the order.


Also, is the fuse box in the engine what i need to be testing? I'm not sure what engine room j/b refers to the fuse box, if so, I can definitely do that. It's right there. Are the other junction boxes that are accessible too?
Jul 12, 2022 at 4:36 AM
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Hi,

I don't feel the Blue Driver will do what is needed. Please double-check if the one you ordered can communicate with the different modules. I know mine cannot. And yes, the fuse box under the hood.

Let me know,

Joe
Jul 12, 2022 at 6:20 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean by modules, but this list says what it can do. Are you referring to a bidirectional scanner?
Jul 12, 2022 at 6:55 PM
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Hi,

If it is bi-directional, you should be able to communicate with the different computers/modules. That is something you may want to contact the seller to determine. I know I can scan different modules, but I can't actuate them to do their jobs.

Joe
Jul 12, 2022 at 8:31 PM
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5160RS Innova

I'm thinking about getting that. What am I looking for to make sure it does what you want it to?
Jul 12, 2022 at 8:47 PM
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You need to find a scan tool that can manually activate and deactivate systems on command for diagnostic purposes. Although the Innova appears to be a nice tool, it doesn't indicate that function.

If you look back at the diagnostics (pic 3 I think) it indicates to manually test the relays using a scan tool. After that, the scanner isn't used. Instead, you are using a voltmeter or multimeter.

Because a scanner that can activate different systems is generally more expensive, could you possibly find someone who could do that part for you?

Let me know.

joe
Jul 12, 2022 at 10:23 PM
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I decided on getting it. It should be here in a couple of days.
Jul 13, 2022 at 3:47 AM
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Oh wow, I totally did not see your first paragraph saying it does not appear to work with my car.
Jul 13, 2022 at 7:04 PM
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I'm not even too sure who I would ask. I don't have anyone like on speed dial. Hmm. I'm not too sure what to do now. I can't even return the Innova I bought it second hand.
Jul 13, 2022 at 7:13 PM
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Hi,

I'm not sure what to tell you other than having the first part of the diagnostics done for you at a shop. Is that a possibility?

Joe
Jul 13, 2022 at 10:20 PM
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Can't because the car has no license plate.

Question, the high beams are illuminating so isn't the relay working? Can't I skip to the next step?
Jul 14, 2022 at 3:31 AM
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Not my picture but my car looks the same.


I'm not too sure what 1G is from page 5. Can you circle it?
Jul 14, 2022 at 6:52 PM
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Hi,

I can't because I believe it is under the box. It will be a white wire. See the attached pic which shows it.

Let me know if you find it.

Joe

See pic below.
Jul 14, 2022 at 7:49 PM
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How do I get under the box? Do you have a diagram for that? Thanks
Jul 15, 2022 at 8:14 PM
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Hi,

I checked the manual and there are no specific directions for removing it. Make sure the battery is disconnected before working on it. If you look at the bottom, there should be 3 or 4 bolts holding it in place. I found a pic online and circled two of them. I have an arrow pointing to where I think the third one is located.

Let me know if you find them.

Take care,

Joe

See pic below.
Jul 15, 2022 at 10:07 PM
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Update. I registered the car and I'm driving it. It has no shut off. It's been a couple of weeks. What I did? I replaced the alternator even though the one that came with the car was okay. I cannot confirm that changing the alternator did anything because the prior driver was a poor historian.

But now that I'm driving it. Maybe 3 weeks after, I get a too rich code and a MAF sensor malfunctioning code. So, I'm going to have it replaced.
Oct 12, 2022 at 9:31 PM
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Hi,

Thanks for the update. Can you tell me what the new codes are related to the fuel mixture and MAF?

If it is running poorly, disconnect the MAF and see if it gets better. It should go into a predetermined setting so it runs. Also, you may want to try cleaning the MAF first. Here is a link that explains how it's done.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/mass-air-flow-service

Let me know.

Joe
Oct 13, 2022 at 6:29 PM