Car overheated and runs bad after repairing head

Tiny
PANMIKE
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  • 2002 KIA RIO
  • 1.5L
  • 4 CYL
  • 2WD
  • AUTOMATIC
  • 160,000 MILES
Had the head rebuilt due to low compression on cylinder four and found two valves, one intake and one exhaust, bent. Now, car starts great but has a sensation of it is running bad. And, the car got hot and water boiled out of the reservoir two days ago. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. Mike
Sunday, October 14th, 2018 AT 6:51 AM

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Tiny
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Hi Mike and thanks for using 2CarPros.com.

Based on what has happened so far, I would suggest two things. First, we need to confirm that the new head gasket is good and not leaking. There are two tests I need you to run. First is a simple test to check for head gasket issues. Here is a link that shows how that is done:

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/head-gasket-blown-test

If there are no symptoms related to what is in the aforementioned link, check engine compression.

https://www.2carpros.com/articles/how-to-test-engine-compression

I am not sure why two of the valves were bent unless there was a timing issue. I will assume that since the head was off, a new timing belt was installed. If you did the work yourself, read through these directions for belt replacement to confirm that everything was done to the manufacturer's specifications.

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TIMING BELT REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION
Removal
1. Disconnect negative battery cable.
2. Loosen power steering lock bolts and nuts accordingly and remove tension from power steering (P/S) and/or air conditioning (A/C) compressor drive belt.
3. Remove P/S and/or A/C drive belt.
4. Loosen generator mounting bolts and adjusting bolt.
5. Remove generator bolts.
6. Remove water pump pulley.
7. Remove crankshaft pulley and timing belt guide plate.
8. Remove upper and lower timing belt covers.
9. Turn crankshaft so that timing mark on timing belt pulley is aligned with timing mark on engine.
10. Check that "I" mark on intake camshaft pulley is aligned with mark on cylinder head cover and "E" mark on exhaust camshaft pulley is aligned with mark on cylinder head cover.

Notice Do not move camshaft or crankshaft once timing marks have been correctly positioned.
11. Loosen tensioner pulley lock bolt.
12. Protect timing belt with a rag.
13. Remove tensioner pulley.
14. Remove timing belt.

Notice Mark the direction of timing belt rotation (on the timing belt) for proper reinstallation.

Inspection

Notice Never forcefully twist, turn inside out or bend timing belt. Do not allow oil or grease to come in contact with timing belt.

1. Replace timing belt if it is contaminated with oil or grease.
2. Check timing belt for uneven wear, fraying, peeling, cracking and hardening. Replace timing belt as necessary.
3. Bend timing belt into a "U" shape as shown in figure. Distance "A" must be at least 1.0 inch (25 mm).
4. Inspect both idler pulley and tensioner pulley for uneven wear and smooth bearing operation.
5. Inspect camshaft pulleys and timing belt pulley for broken teeth or damage.

Notice Replace any component that shows damage, excessive wear, or that appears prone to a possible failure.

Installation
1. Install tensioner pulley.

Notice Replace tensioner spring whenever timing belt is replaced.
2. Pull tensioner pulley to its furthest point and tighten lock bolt.
3. Check that timing mark on timing belt pulley is aligned with timing mark on engine.
4. Check that "I" mark on intake camshaft pulley is aligned with mark on cylinder head cover and "E" mark on exhaust camshaft pulley is aligned with mark on cylinder head cover.

Notice If existing timing belt is being reused, install belt in proper rotation direction marked prior to removal.

5. Install timing belt onto timing belt pulley first, then idler pulley, exhaust camshaft pulley, intake camshaft pulley, and tensioner pulley in that order.
6. Check that there is no looseness in belt between idler pulley and exhaust camshaft pulley or between intake and exhaust camshaft pulleys.
7. Loosen tensioner pulley lock bolt and allow tensioner spring to apply tension to timing belt.

Notice Do not add additional tension.

8. Tighten tensioner pulley lock bolt to specified torque.
Tightening torque: 28 - 38 ft lbs. (38 - 51 Nm, 3.9 - 5.2 kg.m)
9. Rotate crankshaft two full revolutions (clockwise only) and align timing mark on timing belt pulley with timing mark on engine block.
10. Check that "I" mark on intake camshaft pulley "E" mark on exhaust camshaft pulley are aligned with marks on cylinder head cover.
11. If they are not aligned, remove timing belt and start process from tensioner installation.
12. Measure timing belt deflection by applying moderate pressure midway between camshaft pulleys. If deflection is not correct, repeat from tensioner installation.
Deflection pressure: 22 lbs. (98 N, 10 kg)
Deflection: 0.39 - 0.50 inch (11 - 13 mm)
13. Install lower and upper timing belt covers in that order.
Tightening torque: 70 - 96 ft lbs. (7.9 - 10.7 Nm, 0.8 - 1.1 kg.m)
14. Install timing belt guide plate and crankshaft pulley.
Tightening torque: 9.0 - 12.6 ft lbs. (12.3 - 17.2 Nm, 1.3 - 1.8 kg.m)
15. Install water pump pulley.
Tightening torque: 9.0 - 12.6 ft lbs. (12.3 - 17.2 Nm, 1.3 - 1.8 kg.m)
16. Install generator belt and adjust the tension.
17. Install P/S and/or A/C drive belt and adjust the tension.
18. Connect negative battery cable.

Installation
1. Install tensioner pulley.

Notice Replace tensioner spring whenever timing belt is replaced.

2. Pull tensioner pulley to its furthest point and tighten lock bolt.
3. Check that timing mark on timing belt pulley is aligned with timing mark on engine.
4. Check that "I" mark on intake camshaft pulley is aligned with mark on cylinder head cover and "E" mark on exhaust camshaft pulley is aligned with mark on cylinder head cover.

NOTE If existing timing belt is being reused, install belt in proper rotation direction marked prior to removal.

5. Install timing belt onto timing belt pulley first, then idler pulley, exhaust camshaft pulley, intake camshaft pulley, and tensioner pulley in that order.
6. Check that there is no looseness in belt between idler pulley and exhaust camshaft pulley or between intake and exhaust camshaft pulleys.
7. Loosen tensioner pulley lock bolt and allow tensioner spring to apply tension to timing belt.

Notice Do not add additional tension.

8. Tighten tensioner pulley lock bolt to specified torque.
Tightening torque: 28 - 38 ft lbs. (38 - 51 Nm, 3.9 - 5.2 kg.m)
9. Rotate crankshaft two full revolutions (clockwise only) and align timing mark on timing belt pulley with timing mark on engine block.
10. Check that "I" mark on intake camshaft pulley "E" mark on exhaust camshaft pulley are aligned with marks on cylinder head cover.
11. If they are not aligned, remove timing belt and start process from tensioner installation.
12. Measure timing belt deflection by applying moderate pressure midway between camshaft pulleys. If deflection is not correct, repeat from tensioner installation.
Deflection pressure: 22 lb. (98 N, 10 kg)
Deflection: 0.39 - 0.50 inch. (11 - 13 mm)

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I realize the directions are extensive, but I do not want to leave anything out. The following pictures all correlate with these directions.

Let me know what you find or if you have other questions.

Take care,
Joe
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Sunday, October 14th, 2018 AT 6:57 PM
Tiny
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Hi, Joe, thanks for tons of information. Two mechanics came to my home to do the work here in the country of Panama. They are coming back Wednesday to check more things. The reason the head was removed is to investigate why the car was idling bad at start-up in the morning, but then ran okay after warm. But, it would get hot if idled with air on while waiting for my wife, or someone. So, these two mechanics also were the two who replaced the timing belt because it had over a year on the belt and this is a destructive engine design and I wanted a new belt installed, but quite frankly, I believe now they did not have the timing belt correctly installed and bent the two valves on number four cylinder, one intake and one exhaust valve. Will write more after Wednesday when they come back. Thank you very much for all your work and tons of information, Joe. Very helpful indeed. Mike
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Sunday, October 14th, 2018 AT 8:14 PM
Tiny
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Happy to help. Let me know what you find out.

Take care,
Joe
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Sunday, October 14th, 2018 AT 8:18 PM
Tiny
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Joe, one other question about this 2002 Kia Rio, can a one tooth off timing belt install cause the motor to run hot and boil coolant out of the white reservoir tank? And, make it seem like the motor is running retarded when gas is given.
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Monday, October 15th, 2018 AT 7:18 AM
Tiny
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Joe, look at this Kia Forum post. Eureka! Found the problem with my 2002 Kia Sedona 3.5, no power, idles great. No codes. (Timing belt had jumped one tooth) caused this headache. Cams were still aligned but the crank was retarded one tooth. Not sure why the computer did not pick this up as Chrysler's do. All is well. Any DIY'ers make sure you apply 50lbs torque to the timing belt before with your pulley, then you release the tension-er. Failure to do this will ruin your engine as the belt will fail and valves will impact on the pistons.
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Monday, October 15th, 2018 AT 8:29 AM
Tiny
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Welcome back:

I had a feeling the timing was off. Regardless, I am glad to hear you got it back together and going.

Take care and let us know if you have questions in the future.

Joe
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Monday, October 15th, 2018 AT 5:05 PM
Tiny
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Joe, thank you very much for all your help and information. The car goes up a hill in my neighborhood with power now since those two mechanics came back and fixed the timing belt marks per your instructions. The timing was definitely retarded and now the car is running great. Thanks again. Mike in Panama
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Saturday, November 3rd, 2018 AT 3:34 PM
Tiny
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Hi Mike. That is good news. I am glad to hear it is fixed.

Take care and let me know if you have questions in the future, and thanks for letting me know.

Joe
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Saturday, November 3rd, 2018 AT 4:57 PM

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