Blower fan not working at any speed

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JERRY ARCHER
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I have voltage at the blower. I have replaced the blower. Resistor, relay and control panel. I have voltage at the blower motor plug. I ran a ground directly to the frame thinking it was bad. Still not working.
Sunday, April 19th, 2020 AT 8:06 AM

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I can understand your issue because this blower motor is a two wire motor meaning you put voltage to one side and the other side is "ground."

However, in this case the blower relay feeds power to the blower motor and then the ground in this case goes through the resistor and back to the control module. This is called a ground side control device which means the HVAC module will increase resistance in the FET/resistor to slow the blower motor. When there is an increase in resistance behind the load in a circuit it takes voltage away from the motor to make it through the added resistance later in the circuit which slows the motor down.

So when you took the ground to actual ground, you bypassed the module and it is no longer a completed circuit.

Let's start by putting the wiring back how it was and then check voltage at both pin 4 and 5 at the HVAC module with the blower motor on high.

Let me know and we can go from there. Thanks
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Sunday, April 19th, 2020 AT 8:40 AM
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With the relay in I have zero. With the relay out I have 13.84.
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Sunday, April 19th, 2020 AT 9:41 AM
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Same with the motor plugged in and unplugged.
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Sunday, April 19th, 2020 AT 9:42 AM
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Okay. So with the relay in and the blower motor on high you have 0 volts at the HVAC Module?

If this the case have we checked the blower motor to see if it even comes on when we give it power and ground separate from the vehicle? Basically just take two jumper wires and connect the to the battery positive and negative then apply the 12 volts to terminal 1 of the actual motor and the ground to pin 2. The motor should come on. Once we confirm the motor works we can revisit this. Thanks
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Sunday, April 19th, 2020 AT 7:16 PM
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Yes, it does. When I have it out and put jumper wires directly to + and - on the battery. The blower spins at full speed.
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Monday, April 20th, 2020 AT 12:24 AM
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Okay. This is an odd one so let's circle back and take voltage readings on both sides of the motor on each fan speed, because it feels like we are missing something or making an assumption that is not accurate. That is normally the case when we have something like this that doesn't seem to make sense.

So one lead on the input side of the fan and the black lead of your meter on a ground stud or some other ground. Then on the other side of the motor with your red lead and the same ground with your black lead. Do this for each speed and let me know the voltages.

Thanks
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Monday, April 20th, 2020 AT 8:59 AM
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Input:
Low-9.15v
Med-5.56v
High-.05v
Output:
Low:3.84
Med-3.68
High-0.00
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Monday, April 20th, 2020 AT 1:33 PM
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So these were at the points in this diagram with the fan plugged in and on each setting? The fan didn't run at all when you took these as well?

I am asking this because those look backwards at best but just not correct for each setting. I expected the input side to be around 12v and output around 0 on high. Then changing as you dropped to low. On low setting I expected the input to be around 4 volts and then around 8 volts on the output side of the fan. Basically the more voltage the fan uses the faster it goes. High should be the speed it was when you put 12 volts to it to check the operation of the fan.

At this point, the only thing I can think is the HVAC module is screwed up but you said you replaced the control panel. That was the picture below correct?

If that is the case, the only thing left is wiring. Are familiar with taking resistance reading on the wiring? Basically you unhook the connectors on both ends and then take ohm readings on that wire. It should be less then a half ohm on each wire.

Let me know and maybe the best this would be is to run a couple new wires as an easy way to find out if it is wiring. Thanks
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Tuesday, April 21st, 2020 AT 9:03 AM
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I replaced the control panel with one I got off eBay. I wouldn't trust that. If you think it's the control panel. I will purchase a new one.
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Tuesday, April 21st, 2020 AT 10:44 AM
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Okay. Before you do that, was this issue the same before you replaced that and did it make any change? Before you buy another one, put the old one back in and take the same voltage measurements. It is highly unlikely that they are both doing the same thing.
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Tuesday, April 21st, 2020 AT 11:05 AM
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Same issue.
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Tuesday, April 21st, 2020 AT 11:18 AM
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No change.
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Tuesday, April 21st, 2020 AT 11:19 AM
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I'll check the wiring. Being dc voltage sounds like a drain. Probably a bad wire.
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Tuesday, April 21st, 2020 AT 11:41 AM
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Everything else on the car works. The lights for A/C light up and I can hear the idle on the car pick up when I turn the knobs. Blower just doesn't turn.
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Tuesday, April 21st, 2020 AT 12:08 PM
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.4 ohms on both wires.
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Tuesday, April 21st, 2020 AT 1:20 PM
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I checked the input and output voltage on low speed and high speed. They match. 3.51 at input and output at lowest speed and zero voltage at input and out put at highest speed.
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Tuesday, April 21st, 2020 AT 1:30 PM
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FET?
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Tuesday, April 21st, 2020 AT 1:31 PM
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Sorry for the delay. Yes. I would go with that. It just doesn't seem like a control module but with the wiring not having high resistance or opens and everything else works. I am not sure why I thought you replaced that already. I re-read the whole post and I must have just assumed it. I would do it and we can go from there. Thanks
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Wednesday, April 22nd, 2020 AT 7:12 PM
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I put a FET in that I bought of Amazon it was much cheaper than the one from Advance Auto. It was $14.00. So I went and bought a $125.00 from Advance Auto. Thinking I purchased junk off Amazon. Did not fix the problem. Still not blowing air. I am stumped. Really don't want to take to a mechanic. It's not my primary vehicle anymore. I purchased a new truck. Was just trying to sell it. I put new brakes, rotors and changed oil. I was going through it to make sure everything was working and that's when I realized blower wasn't working.
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Sunday, April 26th, 2020 AT 8:48 AM
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Okay. Clearly this is not making much sense but I think we have a grounding issue with the FET. You can run a redundant ground from the FET to a good ground. Then we need to check a couple other things. First the ACON fuse just to make sure. Lastly measure voltage at the power wire (number 5) at the relay and tell me what you have.

We will figure this out. I am sure of it. Thanks
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Monday, April 27th, 2020 AT 8:09 AM

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